Should tipping be abolished and rolled into wages
The tipping culture debate.
Arguments
tipping is just businesses passing their payroll onto customers so they can pocket more. nobody tips their plumber or accountant extra for doing their job right, we just pay them. servers should get a living wage baseline and tips can be bonus if theyre actually good. its not complicated
“lmao your plumber example is trash, plumbers charge 80 an hour and have leverage. servers get paid 2.13 baseline with zero power. tipping isnt perfect but atleast it rewards the ones who actually give a shit instead of everyone getting the same paycheck for phoning it in. if you kill tips without raising wages first youre just cutting peoples income”
dude youre literally arguing the system is so broken that workers NEED tips to survive, which proves my point lol. if a job doesnt pay enough without customer charity then the business is stealing. raise the base wage and tips stay for actual good service, problem solved. your "at least some get rewarded" take is just cope for poverty wages
“nah youre doing the classic thing where you pretend the world works how it should instead of how it actually does. restaurants arent gonna voluntarily raise wages, and if you force them to without tips existing first theyre cutting hours or closing. ive seen it happen. youre describing a unicorn scenario not a plan”
ok but thats exactly why you pass a law forcing it instead of just hoping businesses do the right thing lol. they said the same shit about minimum wage and child labor, "oh itll destroy everything" and it didnt. youre basically saying we gotta accept a broken system because fixing it is hard
“yeah and those minimum wage increases also killed a bunch of small restaurants and the ones that survived just cut staff or raised prices til nobody could afford to eat out. laws arent magic dude theyre just rules, doesnt mean the outcome youre imagining actually happens. youre betting peoples livelihoods on theory”
lol so your whole thing is "it might go wrong so we shouldnt try" which is the weakest take ever. prices went up yeah but restaurants didnt collapse, they adapted. the difference is servers get paid regardless instead of starving on $2.13 while counting on randos feeling generous. youre not being realistic ur just defending the status quo cause change is scary
“nah youre cherry picking the wins and ignoring the places that actually got gutted. and "servers get paid regardless" sounds nice til the restaurant cuts their hours in half cause labor costs went up. youre assuming business owners eat the cost instead of just scheduling fewer people. thats not theory thats what happens”
ok so your argument is literally "it might go bad so we gotta keep the system where servers are already getting gutted" lmao. hours get cut either way dude, at least with real wages theyre not also begging for tips to afford rent. youre just choosing the devil you know
“lol youre acting like theres one magic number that fixes this but servers making $20/hr with half the hours is worse than $15 tips on full shifts, the math is simple. youre trading one problem for a different one and calling it progress. at least now they got choices”
nah youre just inventing worst case scenarios now lol. if hours got cut that bad restaurants would lose their whole operation cause theyre understaffed, so they'd hire back. thats how labor markets work. youre treating it like owners can magically run on skeleton crews forever when they literally cant
“lol ok so your whole thing relies on restaurants magically hiring back when they cant afford it, thats not how labor markets work thats how you wish they worked. ive seen places just go skeleton crew and accept worse service cause theyre not gonna voluntarily tank their margins. youre betting on rational actors in a system full of desperate people, thats a losing bet dude”
so restaurants operating at skeleton crew service levels lose customers and tank anyway lol, youre just describing how theyre shooting themselves in the foot slower. theres literally no scenario where paying people fairly costs more than losing half your business to competitors who dont suck. youre overthinking it
“nah youre still ignoring that skeleton crew places dont actually tank they just become the cheap option and people still go there. not everyone cares about service quality if the burgers are 3 bucks cheaper. youre acting like the market punishes mediocrity but it really just accepts it lol”
ok so youre literally admitting that people will go somewhere cheap and accept worse service which means those places ARE losing money compared to competitors with full staffing and good service, you just admitted the market works lol. youre contradicting yourself now
“nah youre missing it dude, cheap places arent losing money theyre just making less and thats fine with them, theyre still profitable. the market doesnt actually punish mediocrity if mediocrity still moves units. thats the whole problem”
so youre saying mediocre places are profitable operating on skeleton crews which means theyre not actually losing money which means the market IS rewarding them for cutting costs instead of paying people, which proves my point that the market alone wont fix this without policy. you just dunked on your own argument lol
“nah youre twisting it. skeleton crew places make less profit per location but they still exist cause the owner takes home something instead of nothing, thats not the market working its just people accepting worse outcomes. and thats exactly why tipping matters - it lets good servers make real money and jump ship from those trash spots, tipping is literally the market fixing what policy wont”
lmao so ur admitting tipping is a band aid that only works if individual servers are lucky enough to work somewhere busy, not a system that actually fixes anything. thats exactly why we need wages dude. ur arguing FOR policy change and calling it the market, its the opposite
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally describing why its broken lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour while bad ones make 8 is the problem not the feature, and relying on luck and good looks isnt a system its a casino. actual jobs pay everyone fairly, not just the hot ones at the busy place downtown. policy takes time sure but it actually fixes it instead of hoping ur manager puts u on a good shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "i got lucky so the system works" which is peak cope. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank but most dont, and the ones at dead locations are fucked. thats not the market working thats just variance. and ur still dodging that paying everyone a real wage ALSO lets good servers stack tips on top instead of relying on them to eat. youre choosing the worse option and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing servers should gamble on getting busy shifts and hoping customers feel generous instead of just... having stable income lol. thats not smart thats stockholm syndrome. and 25-30 an hour at a busy place doesnt mean anything when half your shifts are dead, you cant budget on that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make minimum wage anyway. so tipping only works if youre already lucky enough to work somewhere good, which is exactly the problem. thats not a system thats a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers need TIPPING to make real money instead of their actual job paying it means the system is broken. and "money today" only works if your restaurant is slammed, most servers arent making 25-30 an hour thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. yeah some servers at applebees make bank but thats cause theyre subsidizing bad owners and the ones at dead locations are eating shit. paying everyone 25-30 guaranteed is way better than hoping you work the right shift at the right place. thats not hypothetical thats literally how other countries do it already
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw. and now ur arguing we should keep a broken system because change takes time? thats cope. fight for better wages AND stop defending poverty wages in the meantime
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but that 25-30 is only if ur slammed every shift and ur boss doesn't cut hours when its slow, plus ur stuck dealing with drunk assholes for pennies and no benefits lol. good servers leaving trash jobs doesnt help the people stuck there, it just proves the system sucks. real wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting tipping only works if youre already at a busy spot, which means most servers are fucked and stuck at dead places making minimum wage anyway. that aint the market working thats just luck, and telling people to gamble on tips instead of getting a real paycheck is insane lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "some servers get lucky and make bank so we shouldnt fix the system" lol. thats not an argument thats just cope. yeah 25-30 an hour sounds great if your restaurant is slammed every shift but most servers arent at those spots and youre cool with that being random chance instead of guaranteed. id rather everyone get 18 base and keep tips than half the industry scraping by hoping for good shifts
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats just cope lol, those 25-30 an hour servers are literally subsidized by customers doing the employers job for free, and half the industry makes minimum wage pretending theyre lucky. youre defending a rigged game where some win the lottery and most get screwed, just admit it works better for owners not workers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally admitting it only works if ur in a busy spot which is pure luck not skill, and those 25-30 an hour servers are subsidizing the ones making 8 at dead restaurants. thats not the market rewarding good service thats the market being broken and u being ok with it cause u lucked out
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but ur comparing tipping at a good spot to minimum wage at a bad spot, thats cherry picking lol. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour and u know it. and "money today" means nothing if half the industry is stuck making shit wages while u wait for a busy shift that never comes. ur defending a system that only works for some people and calling it the market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving the point tho, good servers only make bank if theyre in busy spots which means most servers are NOT making 25-30, theyre making shit, the system just works great if youre lucky. thats not a feature its a bug. and "policy takes time" ok so we just... dont do it? wages isnt hypothetical in like 50 other countries my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers NEED tips to make decent money instead of their employer paying them is the whole problem. youre sitting here defending a system where your paycheck depends on how busy your shift is, thats dogshit and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why this is broken lol. the fact that servers HAVE to hope they get scheduled at busy places to make rent is exactly the problem, not a feature. and that 25-30 is only if theyre hot and work nights and customers arent broke that week. id take guaranteed 20 over gambling, most people would
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends on them being hot and busy which means its a lottery not a system. and that 25-30 only happens at like 10% of places, most servers are making 12 an hour in tips. youre cherry picking the win scenario and ignoring everyone else getting screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so your whole thing is "tipping works great if youre already in a good spot" which proves tipping is luck based not merit based. and 25-30 an hour only happens in like three cities, everywhere else servers get fucked. youre literally arguing "accept a broken system because it sometimes pays decent" thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so youre admitting good servers are already trapped gambling on tips instead of having guaranteed money, and bad servers just starve. thats not the market working thats just saying some people got lucky. and that 25-30 isnt real if youre working slow shifts or somewhere dead, youre cherry picking the best case scenario dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, servers being "smart" by chasing tips means the system works for like 20% of restaurants in busy areas and leaves everyone else holding the bag. thats not a feature thats a bug. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business is slow, wages dont
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers at fancy places make bank on tips but most dont, and thats the whole point. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like its normal when the average server is still broke. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just luck of the draw
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, servers making good money are the EXCEPTION not the rule and only at busy spots, most servers are struggling which is why they need tips to survive. ur treating the lucky ones as the system working when really its just luck. real wages means everyone gets paid not just the ones at applebees on friday night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. good servers at busy places making bank doesn't prove tipping works it just proves some people win the lottery. meanwhile everyone else is subsidizing corporations and tip screens are everywhere now begging for 20% on a coffee. thats not the market working thats just normalized wage theft with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally just saying "id rather have the gamble work out for me personally than fix it for everyone" which is fine but dont pretend thats the market working, thats just you getting lucky and calling it a system. most servers arent making 25-30 and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if the ONLY way servers make decent money is hoping theyre at a busy spot with good tippers then the system is broken and relies on luck not merit. good servers at slow diners still get screwed. youre just accepting that as normal when it doesnt have to be
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so you need a *lucky lottery ticket* to make decent money instead of just... having a job that pays you. and you think thats the market working. good servers leaving trash spots for busy ones just means the trash spots stay understaffed forever, their problem becomes my problem as a customer. youre describing a broken system and calling it freedom my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have a system where my income depends on luck and customer mood swings than guaranteed money" lol thats not smart thats cope. and 25-30 an hour only happens at busy places during peak hours not every shift, youre cherry picking. most servers make like 18-20 with tips which isnt even good when you factor in the stress of relying on randos. id take reliable 20 flat over that gamble any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts and hope theyre attractive enough to customers instead of having guaranteed money lol thats not being smart thats cope. and "years to pass" - min wage changes happen all the time, ur just mad it wont be optional
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving the point again lol. 25-30 an hour only happens if youre hot and working a packed restaurant in a city, most servers make way less and have zero security. id rather have guaranteed 20 an hour everywhere than gamble on whether my shift gets slammed, thats not smart thats just survivorship bias talking
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre still banking on tipping staying high which it wont lol, its already dropping as more places go cashless and younger people dont tip the same way. ur bet is "hope people stay generous forever" mine is "actually pay people" thats not hypothetical thats literally how every other country does it and it works fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally arguing "id rather have a broken system that works for me personally than fix it for everyone" thats the whole problem dude. good servers at applebees making bank while someone at a slow diner gets 8 an hour is not the market working thats just luck. actual policy fixes that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while trash servers at dead spots make minimum is exactly the problem. why should your paycheck depend on luck instead of showing up to work? and 25-30 an hour isnt even real if half your shifts you make 12. just pay people.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre cherry picking the busy spots again lol. most servers dont make 25-30, thats survivorship bias. and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is a trap when your money today depends on whether karen tips you or not. id rather have guaranteed 20 than gamble on 12-30 every shift. thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except those 25-30 an hour servers are the exception not the rule and you know it, most servers make like 18-20 with tips and its volatile as hell. plus youre banking on ppl tipping which requires customers to do your employers job for you, thats insane. just pay people a livable wage upfront instead of gambling on customer generosity lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones get crushed elsewhere isnt the market working thats just luck based on where you happen to work. why should anyone have to gamble on tips when they could just get paid what theyre worth regardless, thats just basic fairness not some crazy policy thing
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is literally "i got mine so who cares about the system" which is the weakest shit ever. good servers making bank doesnt mean the system works it means some people luck out while everyone else eats shit and has to beg for rent money. thats not a feature its a bug dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you just said it yourself, good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places, which means most servers are eating shit at slow spots. youre not describing a system that works youre describing lottery tickets. id rather have a floor that doesnt suck than gamble on being lucky enough to get tipped well lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre proving my point again lol, if servers have to gamble on being "lucky enough" to work somewhere busy then the system is broken, not working. and 25-30 an hour isnt the standard its the exception, most servers make way less and ur just coping that tipping lets owners pay 2.13 an hour legally
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point tho, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make decent money that means the system is broken not working. why should someone's rent depend on luck and busy shifts? thats not being smart thats just accepting a bad deal cause u got no choice lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "lets keep the broken thing that works for some people today" instead of fixing it, thats the definition of settling. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed lol thats cherry picking busy shifts, most servers dont average that. why should it depend on where u work or how busy it gets, thats not a system thats just luck with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank means OTHER servers at dead locations are making 8 bucks an hour and cant leave cause theyre trapped. tipping only works if youre already at a good spot, thats not a system its a lottery. wages fix it for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why the current system sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u got hired. and most servers dont make 25-30 theyre getting like 18-20 with the stress, you know that right
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "tipping works if youre in the right place at the right time" which proves my point that its luck based not merit based. and waiting for policy isnt hypothetical when every other developed country already did it and their servers make bank without begging customers. ur defending a broken system cause it works for some people sometimes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur basically saying "the system works if youre lucky enough to work somewhere busy and ur good at your job" which is literally admitting it doesnt work for most people, thats not a defense its just cope. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its an average, plenty of servers make garbage. actual wages guarantee something, tipping guarantees nothing except that restaurants get to offload labor costs onto customers instead of paying their own workers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol, servers shouldnt have to gamble on being "lucky enough" to work somewhere busy to survive. and 25-30 an hour isnt the average its the cherry picked number everyone uses to defend a broken system. most servers make way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre comparing right now money to right now money, good servers at busy places make bank on tips yeah but bad locations or slow shifts tank and theres no floor, with wages at least everyones guaranteed something. youre just picking the scenario that works and ignoring the rest lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just picking the best case scenario and ignoring all the servers working slow shifts making 8 bucks an hour hoping for tips that dont come. thats not the market working thats survivorship bias. a real system shouldnt depend on getting lucky with tables or location
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and trash servers at trash places make minimum, so the system just rewards luck and location not actual skill. and if ur waiting on tips to hit 25-30 thats already admitting base wages are broken, youre just coping that tipping patches it sometimes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally saying "id rather have uncertain income that depends on whether rich people feel generous than guaranteed stable pay" thats not being smart its just Stockholm syndrome for the service industry. and 25-30 an hour at a busy place means 12 at a slow one, you just proved my point again
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just describing why the system is broken lmao, good servers shouldnt have to pray theyre at a busy spot to make rent. and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business slows down so ur trading stability for crumbs. i'd rather have guaranteed money than gamble on foot traffic my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends entirely on luck of the draw which restaurant and shift they get, thats not a system thats gambling. and 15 an hour floor wage beats 2.13 tipped minimum literally every time because its guaranteed, you cant gamble your rent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "good servers make bank if theyre lucky" which is literally admitting the system is broken lol. why should someone's rent depend on whether their shift is busy or they work at a nice place. thats not smart thats just cope for a system that doesnt work for most people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats stockholm syndrome lol. good servers making bank at busy spots doesnt mean the system works it means some ppl won the lottery while everyone else subsidizes cheap restaurants so owners dont have to pay. youre literally defending a system that only works if ur lucky enough to get the good shift, thats not a feature thats a bug
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur missing the point again. those 25-30 an hour servers only exist at like 5 olive gardens in major cities, meanwhile 90% of servers are grinding for shit tips at dead lunch shifts. ur picking the best case scenario and calling it a system, thats not smart thats just ignoring reality
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro thats literally the luck argument lol, "good servers at busy places make bank" isnt a system its a lottery. and ur cool with half the workforce getting screwed so the other half can gamble on tips? thats not smart thats just accepting a rigged game cause you won the coin flip
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude youre literally proving my point again, "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" is not a system thats a lottery ticket. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either thats just ur best case scenario. id rather have 18 guaranteed than gamble on tips existing, thats just math
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts instead of having stable income, thats not smart thats desperation dressed up as freedom. and 25-30 an hour only happens at like 5 restaurants in major cities, everyone else is making 12 and hoping. wake up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur admitting good servers at busy places make bank while everyone else gets screwed, and youre calling that the system working. thats literally just survivorship bias, youre only seeing the winners. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour and you know it, quit cherry picking
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving my point lol, ur saying servers NEED tips to make decent money which means theyre dependent on luck and customer mood instead of their employer actually paying them. thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps, and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, good servers making 25-30 an hour is ONLY happening at busy places which means the system still screws over servers at slow spots. thats not the market working thats just luck based on where u work. real wages fix that for everyone instead of leaving half the servers broke. also lol 15 an hour is the floor not the cap, places would go higher if they had to actually compete on wages instead of hiding behind tips.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats just admitting you need to be in a busy place to survive, which isnt a system its just lottery. and those 25-30 an hour servers are subsidizing the trash spots where people make 8 bucks on slow nights. why should we accept that some people get lucky and others get fucked just so we can avoid actually fixing it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at GOOD places which means theyre already getting paid thru tips, but trash servers and slow nights? theyre eating shit and you think thats fine cause some lucky people won at the lottery. i'd rather everyone just gets paid instead of hoping they land the right shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make minimum is EXACTLY why the system is broken. why should your paycheck depend on where you happen to work instead of just doing your job. thats not the market working thats luck with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre banking on individual servers being in the right place at the right time which is literally luck not skill, and half the industry is making like 12 an hour cause theyre at dead spots. you're just picking the winners and ignoring everyone else getting screwed, thats not a system thats just survivorship bias lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather get lucky than have a system that works for everyone" lol thats peak selfish. yeah some servers crush it at busy spots but what about the ones at slow diners making 8 bucks an hour? theyre not being smart theyre just fucked. policy takes time but at least it actually fixes it instead of hoping you get scheduled on a saturday
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers gotta HOPE theyre at a busy place to make decent money is exactly the problem. why should someone's rent depend on whether their shift was packed or slow. and 25-30 an hour at good spots just means the bad spots are even worse, ur just cool with that inequality i guess
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao okay so ur argument is "dont fix the system because some people are gaming it right now" thats the weakest thing ive heard all day. yeah servers at busy spots make bank on tips but thats literally luck of the draw where u work, and the rest are eating shit on minimum wage. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias talking
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur saying tipping works great as long as servers gamble on getting busy shifts and hope theyre attractive enough or whatever, meanwhile a burger flipper at mcdonalds gets 15 steady no matter what. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just randomness paying more than consistency, thats a broken system u just described perfectly
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying tipping works great... for the servers lucky enough to work busy shifts at nice places. what about the 2pm tuesday shift at applebees? those people are just fucked i guess, that's your market solution. meanwhile a real wage floor means everyone gets paid either way, ur just defending a rigged game cause you happen to win it sometimes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving my point tho, good servers make bank at busy places and starve at bad ones, thats not a system thats a lottery. and btw those 25-30 places already pay decent base wages, ur not comparing apples to apples. id take 18 guaranteed over gambling on the rush every time tbh
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ok so your whole thing is "be grateful for scraps if theyre big enough" which is wild. good servers making 25-30 shouldnt depend on them getting slammed every shift or working at the right restaurant, thats literally the luck thing youre denying. and those places still underpay everyone else so ur not actually fixing anything, just subsidizing corporate profit with customer guilt. thats not the market working thats just stockholm syndrome with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but that 25-30 an hour only exists if ur hot or charismatic or work peak hours at a nice place, most servers making minimum wage PLUS tips still end up around 16-17 averaged out. ur just cherry picking the good gigs and ignoring that tipping creates a lottery system instead of just paying people what theyre worth lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on whether theyre busy instead of getting guaranteed money lol, thats insane. and 25-30 an hour at a nice place isnt the norm, most servers are making like 18 after tips. id take a sure 20 base over hoping for good shifts any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather have uncertainty and depend on strangers moods for rent money than guarantee" which is insane lol. busy servers making 25-30 is the exception not the rule, most servers get screwed. youre picking the best case and calling it a system thats a cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except ur picking the best case scenario and ignoring that most servers are NOT making 25-30, theyre making like 18 average and some places way less. plus ur literally saying "id rather have scraps now than fight for something better" which is exactly why this system stays broken lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is great for them but what about the ones at dead locations or slow shifts? theyre getting screwed while you celebrate the lucky ones. thats not a system thats a lottery, and telling people to "be smart" and pick the right restaurant isnt policy its just ignoring the problem
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have a broken system that pays me today than fix it for everyone tomorrow" which is the most selfish take possible. and the 25-30 an hour thing is cap anyway, thats only peak dinner rush at nice places, most servers are pulling way less and dealing with shit customers on top of it. youre defending a system where your paycheck depends on rich peoples mood instead of just... getting paid. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting the system only works if youre lucky enough to be busy and good looking lol, thats not a feature thats a bug. most servers make way less than 25 an hour and you know it, youre just cherry picking the hot spots. real policy floors it for everyone not just people with good shifts
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have money today" which proves you know the system is broken lol. good servers making 25-30 is the exception not the rule, most servers make trash and gamble on shifts. and "my policy takes years" is cope when were literally talking about what should exist, not whether change is hard. pay people fairly or dont hire them thats it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "good servers make bank IF theyre in busy places" which proves tipping isnt a system its a lottery. and "money today" means nothing if half the industry is broke during slow months or bad shifts. real wages dont disappear when its tuesday afternoon lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make good money than guarantee everyone gets paid fairly" which is the most selfish take possible lol. and that 25-30 isnt guaranteed either, depends on shift time restaurant location whatever, youre betting your whole income on chance while acting like its stable. minimum wage with benefits is actually stable, tipping is a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour, tipping only works if youre already in the right spot which is lucky not smart. why should where u work be the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots while bad servers at dead locations get murdered, its not a system its a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only if theyre at the RIGHT place AND the customers feel generous, thats not reliable income thats cope. actual wages mean everyone gets paid the same for the same work no matter where they work, crazy concept i know
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just saying "id rather have my money depend on whether karen tips me or not than have guaranteed pay" which is the worst possible argument for why a broken system is fine. you're describing the problem not solving it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you just said "if youre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" then pivoted to acting like every server makes 25-30, pick a lane lol. most places arent slammed and most servers are broke, youre just describing why the system sucks not why it works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank at busy places means BAD servers at slow places are eating shit for minimum wage, thats not the market working thats just luck of where you got hired. policy fixes that for everyone not just the winners, stop coping
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank means bad servers are broke which is the whole problem. why should your paycheck depend on how busy it is or how hot you are instead of just doing your job. thats not the market working thats just gambling with rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats only if ur good AND at a busy place, which is literally luck not skill lol. most servers arent making 25-30, ur looking at the top spots in major cities. plus ur betting everything on customer goodwill staying high forever which is insane, one recession and suddenly nobodys tipping and ur back to minimum wage with no safety net. id take guaranteed money over that gamble any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank proves the SYSTEM works for like 20% of people in good spots and leaves everyone else holding the bag. thats not a feature thats a bug. and "maybe policy takes years" isnt an argument against it its just reality, things take time, doesnt mean we shouldnt do it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "it works for some people sometimes so we shouldnt change it" thats literally the definition of a broken system dude. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on whether theyre busy that night to pay rent, thats insane. and ur "25-30 an hour" is only if theyre slammed at a nice place, most servers are making way less. policy takes time yeah but at least its guaranteed, not dependent on whether karen feels generous today
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying the system works great... as long as you personally get lucky enough to work at a busy place, thats literally just admitting it's broken dude. and btw those 25-30 an hour spots also have 1099 taxes and zero benefits so ur comparing apples to apples badly, plus what about the people making 12 an hour in dead restaurants. ur whole thing is "it works for some people" which isnt a defense of a system lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole thing is "tipping works FOR SOME PEOPLE if theyre in the right spot" and calling that a system. thats literally admitting its broken for everyone else. and those 25-30/hr servers? theyre subsidizing the cheap spots that DO exist because customers feel guilty. youre describing a rigged game and calling it smart, get real
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing the problem lol, "good servers at busy places make bank while everyone else gets screwed" isnt a win for the system its proof it doesnt work. and $25/hr at a restaurant thats slammed isnt sustainable, youre just lucky rn, your argument is "i got mine so it works" which is the weakest take possible
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the rest" lol. good servers at busy spots making bank while someone at a slow restaurant or a bad tipper area gets destroyed is not the market working thats just luck. and you're banking on never getting old or injured enough that you cant hustle for tips anymore, good luck with that strategy dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and the servers making 25-30 are literally subsidized by customers guilt tripping themselves, theyre not actually earning that from the business. soon as economy dips or you work a slow shift youre back to poverty. wages are guaranteed, tips arent. thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao so ur whole argument is "ill take crumbs now instead of fighting for better" thats literally stockholm syndrome. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre the exception not the rule, most servers make like 18-20 with tips after bad shifts. ur picking the best case scenario and acting like thats how it works for everyone, its not. min wage jobs shouldnt require gambling on whether customers feel generous that day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur literally proving my point tho, good servers making bank at busy places means BAD servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour. your system only works if ur already winning, mine actually gives everyone a floor. also $25-30 is the exception not the rule quit acting like thats typical lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means theyre subsidizing bad places and getting nothing. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its literally luck based on shift and how much customers feel like paying. actual wages is money today too just not a gamble
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. yeah some servers at applebees are making bank off drunk people but most arent, and theyre the ones getting screwed while you celebrate the exceptions. guaranteed wage isnt hypothetical its already working everywhere else, youre just mad about change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky than have a guarantee" which is the weakest shit ever lol. yeah some servers at busy spots crush it but most dont, theyre just grinding for scraps hoping for good tips. and you keep ignoring that YOUR system depends on customers subsidizing wages that owners should be paying. thats not the market winning thats workers losing
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works FOR THEM while everyone else gets screwed. thats not the market working thats just luck of the draw lol. and "maybe the wage never passes" is cope, literally every other country figured this out already
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah ok so ur saying the system works great as long as ur one of the lucky ones at a busy spot, which proves its not actually a system its just gambling with peoples rent money. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business drops, no security no benefits nothing. thats not smart thats just cope lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting tipping only works if ur already at a busy spot which means most servers are eating shit and relying on luck, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at one place while everyone else makes 8? nah that aint the flex u think it is lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means theyre subsidizing the whole system with their luck. why should someone's rent depend on whether their shift gets slammed or they get stuck closing on a tuesday. real wages means everyone eats regardless, thats not hypothetical thats just not being broke
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" is not a system thats the lottery. and 25-30 an hour at one place while everyone else gets 8 is not the market working thats just individual luck. real wages = everyone gets 18-20 everywhere, no gamble. ur choice is "hope ur popular" vs "guaranteed" and ur pretending theyre the same
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is just YOU getting lucky at a busy spot, meanwhile mediocre places and slow nights exist and servers there make garbage. thats not a system thats a lottery. and "years to pass" is a cope when servers been waiting decades already
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. "good servers make bank IF they work somewhere busy" thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what some people get on good nights. id take a steady 20 with benefits over hoping my shift was busy enough, thats not hypothetical thats actual stability
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the system working thats the system being random. and "money today" only works if youre already at a good spot, everyone else just gets screwed. thats not smart thats just luck with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally cherry picking the busy restaurants lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the exception and you know it. median server wage is like 18-19 with tips factored in, thats still garbage. and "waiting for policy" is weak excuse when other countries already did it and servers make MORE without the tip gamble. ur defending a system that only works if youre lucky not if youre good
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just describing why its broken lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt "the market working" its servers gambling on location and luck instead of getting paid fairly for the job. and "money today vs policy later" is cope—other countries did it and didnt collapse, ur just afraid of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means theyre subsidizing their own wages through luck, its not a system its a lottery. and now ur arguing tipping works so well that we shouldn't change anything, which is exactly what restaurant owners want you thinking. 15 an hour floors it for everyone, no lottery required
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing the problem not the solution lol, "good servers make bank at busy places" means bad servers at slow spots starve and its all random luck not merit. why should a server at a dead mall food court make 8 bucks an hour while the one at the airport makes 30 for doing the exact same job, thats not the market rewarding skill thats rewarding real estate. policy fixes that, your system just shuffles who gets lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur conflating two totally different things. yeah some servers make bank at busy places, but thats not the market rewarding skill its literally just luck of where u work. and most servers dont make 25-30, thats like the top 10%. ur basing ur whole argument on the exception not the rule lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur banking on servers being at busy spots which is exactly the luck thing i said, plus that 25-30 only happens if customers feel guilty enough to subsidize your wage which is insane and fails the second economy dips. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on peoples guilt, thats not being smart thats coping
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude youre literally arguing "id rather gamble on tips than have a guarantee" which is insane. good servers making bank doesnt mean bad servers or slow nights dont exist, you're just cherry picking the best case and calling it a system. thats not smart thats survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve proves the system is broken not working. why should your paycheck depend on luck of where you work or how hot the restaurant is that week, thats insane. just pay people fairly and let tips be actual tips not rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the other 70% of servers at slow spots" lol. and "money today" is cope - most servers make like 18 an hour averaged out, not your cherry picked 25-30. plus ur cool with the system staying broken as long as you personally benefit, thats not the market working thats just luck and you knowing it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving you like the current system because it works for YOU right now lol. what about the servers at dead locations making minimum wage? theyre not being "smart" theyre just screwed. and good luck keeping that 25-30 an hour when every restaurant suddenly needs to compete on service instead of banking on tips to do the work for them. youre picking the winners and ignoring everyone else
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying "id rather have money today" lol. good servers making bank doesnt mean the system works, it means some people get lucky and others get crushed. thats not efficiency thats just chaos with winners and losers. pay everyone fairly and good service still happens, crazy concept i know
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers NEED tipping to make 25-30 an hour means the base wage is broken, not that tipping is genius. and "money today" doesnt mean jack if half the industry is stuck making 3 bucks an hour gambling on tips. thats not a feature its just stockholm syndrome
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre cherry picking the busy spots tho. most servers dont make 25-30, thats literally survivorship bias. and "money today" means nothing if half the industry is underwater cause they work graveyard shifts at dead diners where tips suck. youre just advocating for a lottery system and calling it freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol thats literally just "i got mine so who cares" dressed up fancy. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank off tips, and the rest get screwed, and you're saying thats fine cause at least SOME people win the lottery. thats not a system dude thats just gambling with peoples rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur whole thing falls apart when a server gets stiffed or works a dead shift and makes 3 bucks an hour, thats not smart thats just gambling with rent money. and yeah good servers make bank in busy places but youre literally saying the system works by punishing people at bad locations, thats psycho lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving my point tho, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of workers and fucks the other 80%, thats not a feature thats a bug. and "might never happen" is cope, every other developed country already did it, ur just scared of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, if good servers only make bank at busy places thats the luck part not the system working. plus those 25-30 an hour jobs disappear the second business slows down and youre back to starving, wages dont do that. policy takes time sure but at least its stable, ur defending a house of cards
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur just proving the point that tipping only works for the lucky few at busy places, meanwhile the server at the dead mall food court is getting crushed. why should good servers subsidize garbage employers instead of just forcing them to pay? ur picking winners and losers, i just want everyone to get paid
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but ur just gambling on being at a busy spot and hoping customers arent broke that day lol, thats not a system thats just luck. and those 25-30/hr servers exist in like 10% of restaurants while the rest get scraps. i'll take guaranteed 18/hr over your maybe 12 with prayers thanks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ur whole thing is "some servers win the lottery so the system works" which is insane lol. yeah busy places pay ok but half the industry is getting destroyed and you know it, youre just defending the spots where you happen to work. real policy fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have guaranteed money" which is fine for YOU but screws everyone else flipping burgers at a dead dennys at 2am making 4 bucks an hour. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, "good servers make 25-30 if theyre lucky and work somewhere busy" is NOT a system its a lottery. and those servers are subsidizing cheap restaurants by taking shit pay on slow nights so owners can undercut everyone else. thats not the market working thats market failure with extra steps. actual wages would let a server at a dead spot make real money too instead of eating the loss
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so your whole thing is "tipping works great if youre lucky" which is literally admitting its broken. good servers at busy spots making bank doesnt mean the system works, it means some people win the lottery. the rest get screwed. and youre sitting here saying "wait for policy" like we havent been waiting 20 years while owners pocket the difference. thats not smart its just accepting crumbs
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tipping to make decent money thats the problem not the solution. thats not the market working thats a broken system where workers are gambling on getting busy shifts instead of just getting paid. and ur whole "money today" thing ignores that tipping barely exists in countries with actual wages and somehow those servers arent starving, theyre just not subsidizing restaurants anymore
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats just "i got mine so screw the system" with extra steps lol. yeah some servers at busy places make bank, congrats, but most dont and ur literally asking them to gamble on shifts and hope for good tippers. thats not smart thats just cope for why ur okay with broken shit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make money IF they work somewhere busy" is exactly the problem. why should your paycheck depend on geography and luck instead of just, doing your job? thats not the market working thats just gambling with rent money. and 25-30 an hour for some people while others make 8 is insane when a policy fix is literally just... paying people the same. youre choosing the chaos version on purpose
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why its broken lol, the fact that good servers have to PRAY theyre at a busy spot to make rent isnt a feature its a bug. and 25-30 an hour only happens if youre in a major city working nights, most servers get crushed. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like thats the system working, its not
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally banking on every customer tipping every time which is the gamble right, good servers at busy places yeah they eat but the system still punches down on slow shifts and bad locations. youre not actually arguing against band aids youre just saying some band aids feel better lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make bank IF theyre at a busy place" is not a system its a lottery. and the ones at slow spots or dealing with cheap customers get screwed, thats not the market rewarding skill thats randomness. real wages fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving you dont actually believe in the system lol. if tipping was so good youd want it everywhere but you conveniently ignore that it only works in like 5 restaurant types max. everywhere else people make shit and have no tips to save em. thats not a feature thats you cherry picking the one scenario that works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if servers NEED tipping to hit 25-30 an hour that means the BASE wage is shit and tipping is a subsidy for the restaurant not a reward for good service. youre describing a broken system and calling it freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers are subsidizing the cheap restaurants while their coworkers at dead locations make minimum wage, youre literally describing an unequal system and calling it freedom lol. "be lucky enough to work somewhere busy" isnt a policy its just gambling with your rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers have to HOPE theyre at a busy spot to make real money thats not a system its a lottery. and "money today" only works if youre already making bank somewhere, what about the server at the dead mall food court making 8 an hour? she doesnt get to jump ship, she's trapped. thats why its broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point tho, the fact that servers HAVE to rely on tipping to hit 25-30 an hour means the base wage is broken, not that tipping works. youre asking people to gamble on a busy shift instead of just paying them. thats not smart thats just normalized wage theft lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh ur literally proving you need the *right* place to make that 25-30 which means its not reliable its just luck, and plenty of servers stuck at slow spots making 12 an hour with tips while you act like thats a choice. guaranteed wage isnt hypothetical btw its literally happening in other countries rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour then theyre not actually making that as a wage theyre gambling on busy shifts and good customers. thats not freedom thats just you coping with a broken system, real jobs pay their workers period not hope they get lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are one bad week away from broke while somebody else making minimum wage guaranteed sleeps fine, plus youre banking on customers deciding to throw money at you instead of the system actually owing you anything. thats not smart thats just cope for a broken system lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, you need TIPS to hit 25-30 an hour which means the BASE job doesnt pay shit, thats not the market working thats the market broken and servers getting lucky. other countries abolished tipping and servers do fine on actual wages, so your "never happen" thing is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you literally just said tipping only works if youre busy which means its NOT reliable income its just gambling on shifts, and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its cherry picked bullshit. most servers make way less and rely on hoping people feel guilty. thats not a system thats extortion with extra steps lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just "i got mine so who cares" lmao. cool that some servers at olive garden make bank, what about the ones at dead diners at 2pm? theyre making 8 bucks an hour and relying on charity. a real system shouldnt depend on your location and luck, thats the whole point. wages fix that for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck to make decent money which is insane, a burger flipper at five guys shouldnt have to pray theyre busy to feed themselves. and that 25-30 ur talking about? thats literally the top earners at busy spots, most servers are making way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point harder lol, good servers making bank at busy places IS luck not skill, thats literally what i said. and the ones at slow spots getting 8 an hour while your "market" does nothing? theyre not being smart theyre being trapped. plus if wages were real then places HAVE to compete on service not just hope a cute girl works the register, thats actual pressure not "maybe your shift is busy today"
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is BECAUSE of tipping not despite it, take away tips and suddenly theyre making 15 an hour at a busy place instead of 30. thats not the market working thats servers subsidizing restaurants by accepting lower base pay. youre advocating for the current system and calling it freedom when its just desperation
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots means bad servers at slow places are eating shit on minimum wage. tipping only works if ur already winning, thats not a system its a lottery. and "it might take years" isnt an argument against doing it, thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "good servers can make bank if theyre in the right spot" which is just admitting its luck based not merit based lol. some server at a dead diner cant will themselves into being busy. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its the ceiling on good days. guaranteed 15 beats hoping you get lucky shifts thats just math
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but youre comparing todays tips at busy places to a hypothetical wage like the only option is your current gig lol. if places had to pay 20 an hour tomorrow every server could work anywhere and not depend on getting lucky with location or customers. youre choosing the system that requires luck over one that doesnt, thats crazy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, if servers gotta be "lucky" or "smart" enough to work the right spot to make decent money thats a broken system. thats not a feature its a bug. why should anyone's rent depend on whether their restaurant is busy that week, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" wrapped up fancy. yeah some servers at good spots make bank on tips but thats random luck not a system, meanwhile everyone else subsidizes cheap employers. youre arguing that servers should gamble on which restaurant they work at instead of just getting paid. thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole argument is "id rather get lucky at a busy place than guarantee it" which is insane. good servers subsidizing bad restaurants by gambling on shifts isnt the market working thats just the market being broken and you defending it cause you won the lottery. thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why tipping sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where you get scheduled. and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is cope - every other developed country proved the hypothetical already works, ur just defending a system that benefits you personally rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make minimum is exactly the problem. why should where you work matter more than the fact that you work? thats not the market being smart thats just inequality with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole thing is "id rather exploit the system that works for me personally than fix it for everyone" thats just cope dude. good servers making bank doesnt prove tipping works it proves theyre subsidizing bad owners. and thats YOUR money that shoudve been in the check the whole time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "it works for some people sometimes so we shouldnt change it" which is exactly why we need to change it. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on being busy to eat, and bad owners shouldnt get to pay $3 an hour because tipping exists. ur literally defending a system that only works by accident
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre proving my point lol, ur literally saying "good servers get lucky at busy places and make bank, bad luck and ur screwed" thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only happens in like major cities at nice restaurants, everyone else is getting stiffed. policy isnt hypothetical, other countries already did it, youre just choosing the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol. "good servers make bank if theyre lucky and work somewhere busy" isnt a feature its a bug. and 25-30/hr only happens in major cities at nice places, everywhere else servers are scraping by on 12-15. thats not the market working thats survival lottery. id rather have 18 guaranteed than pray im hot enough to get shifts at the good spot
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why tipping sucks lol, you need to be "lucky" and "smart" about which restaurant you work at just to not be broke, thats not a system its a gamble. normal jobs you just get paid, you dont have to pray the rush is good that night or hope your manager doesnt schedule you dead shifts. paying people actual wages isnt a hypothetical, every other country does it fine, ur just defending whats convenient for owners rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are one bad week away from broke while a burger flipper in california making 16 base isnt sweating rent. youre picking the lottery winners and ignoring everyone else clocking out with 40 bucks lol, thats not smart thats survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "it works if youre lucky enough to be hot or work nights at a busy place" and thats supposed to convince me its a good system? most servers dont make 25-30, thats cherry picking. and "maybe policy never passes" isnt an argument for keeping a broken thing, its an argument for actually pushing the policy instead of settling. ur basically saying "i got mine so who cares"
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just proving servers shouldnt HAVE to gamble on whether theyre busy or their customers feel generous, thats insane. and that 25-30 an hour? only happens at like 10% of restaurants lol, the rest are making 12-14 and pretending theyre rich. guaranteed wage beats lottery ticket every time dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao. servers making 25-30 an hour depends entirely on WHERE they work and HOW BUSY it is, thats pure luck not skill. a good server at a dead pancake house makes 12 bucks and a bad server at a packed steakhouse makes 40, has nothing to do with being good at your job. wages actually fix that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and thats exactly why its broken lol, the system shouldnt depend on servers being "smart" enough to work the right spot. youre literally saying the best outcome requires gambling on location when a normal job just pays you regardless. thats not a feature dude thats a bug
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally admitting good servers need tips to make real money which means the BASE wage is broken and tipping is just masking how badly restaurants underpay everyone. thats not the market working thats a subsidy scam where customers fund wages instead of employers. and most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, youre cherry picking the busy spots again. the median server gets crushed on slow days with no safety net. policy fixes that, your system just gambles on luck.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving why tipping sucks tho lol, "good servers make bank" just means bad servers and slow nights tank and you're gambling your rent on if customers feel generous today. thats not smart thats just accepting a broken system cause it sometimes pays off. give everyone a floor
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why tipping sucks lol, servers shouldnt HAVE to be lucky and work at a busy place to afford rent. the fact that some make 25-30 an hour while others at slow spots make 8 is the whole problem. thats not "the market working" thats chaos
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but "be smart and work somewhere busy" isnt a system its just luck dressed up fancy. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either its just what happens when you work a packed friday night shift, most servers make way less most of the time. youre literally arguing the current thing is fine because sometimes it works out, thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except ur cherry picking the busy spots lol, most servers making 25-30 are in like 5 cities and work doubles constantly. median server wage is still trash and u know it, youre just defending the system that benefits the loud winners not the actual average person stuck at applebees on a tuesday night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol dude ur literally proving you need POLICY to make it work consistently, good servers shouldnt have to hunt for busy spots to not be broke. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half ur shifts are dead, youre counting tips that dont show up. guaranteed wage beats the gamble every time thats just math
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole thing is "tipping works if youre in a good spot" which is literally admitting the system sucks for most people, thats not an argument its just cope. and thats the thing - why should someone's rent depend on whether they got the lucky shift at the busy restaurant instead of like, actually getting paid. ur defending a lottery not a job
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats only if ur already working somewhere busy, which isnt something the server controls lol. a server at a dead applebees making 8 bucks an hour isnt being unlucky theyre just fucked. and "it might never happen" is cope, literally every other country pays real wages and service is fine. ur defending a system that only works if youre lucky enough to be in the right place
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur literally proving my point lol. servers making bank at busy spots while others get crushed at slow places isnt the market working thats just luck. and 25-30/hr only works if youre slammed every shift, one bad month and youre screwed. at least a real wage doesnt depend on whether karen tips or not. youre defending a system where your paycheck is a gamble instead of guaranteed, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, if good servers can ONLY make real money at busy places that means the system is broken and depends on luck not merit. and "might never happen" is cope, half the country already has 15+ minimum wage. youre defending a system that only works if your boss schedules you well
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places which means theyre subsidized by customers not their boss, and bad servers at dead spots make nothing. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just random luck based on foot traffic. real wages would actually tie pay to work not vibes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting the system only works if youre already in a good spot which means its broken for everyone else lol. id rather have 18 an hour guaranteed than hope im hot and busy enough to scrape together tips, thats not being smart thats just surviving
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but "being smart" is just picking the least bad option lol, youre not actually defending the system youre just saying deal with it. and plenty of servers DONT make 25-30, thats busy restaurant money, coffee shops and diners get scraps. why should someone's rent depend on whether they got lucky with location and shifts. thats not a feature its a bug
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour means BAD servers at the same place make like 8. so tipping only works if ur already good or lucky with tables, its not a system its a lottery. actual wages fix that for everyone not just the winners. ur defending a rigged game
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving my point tho, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make minimum is the PROBLEM not the solution. why should your paycheck depend on if your boss is incompetent at scheduling. real wages fixes that, tipping just makes it a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky than have a guarantee" lol. cool good for you but thats not an argument its just cope. most servers are NOT making 30 an hour, thats cherry picking the busy spots. the rest are scrambling and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 only works if theyre at busy places with rich customers, what about the server at a dead diner at 2am, theyre making like 8 bucks an hour and ur just like "oh well thats unlucky" instead of actually fixing it. policy takes time but tipping takes forever for most people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lmao, good servers making bank at busy places while trash servers at dead spots make minimum doesnt mean the system works it means some people get lucky and others get screwed. thats not a feature thats the whole problem. wages fix that, tipping just shuffles money around and calls it meritocracy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need tipping to survive which is the problem lol. good servers shouldnt have to pray theyre busy just to pay rent. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what happens when youre slammed, most shifts arent like that. id take 20 guaranteed over gambling every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats just survivorship bias, youre only seeing the servers at busy places not the ones getting absolutely gutted at dead spots. and "years to pass" is a cope, we already have minimum wage laws everywhere, literally just raising the floor for food service isnt some impossible fantasy lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to hope theyre at a busy place to make rent is exactly the problem. why should it depend on luck instead of just... paying people? and 25-30 an hour at a busy spot isnt the norm its the exception, most servers are eating shit wages. youre picking the best case scenario and calling it a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, the fact that good servers need TIPPING to make real money means the base system is broken. youre just ok with workers gambling on whether their shift will be busy instead of having guaranteed income. thats not smart thats Stockholm syndrome lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "tipping works great... if youre at a busy place and your boss doesn't pocket your tips and youre hot enough to get better tables" thats not the market working thats just luck and desperation lol. id take a guaranteed 20 an hour over hoping customers subsidize my paycheck, most servers would too if they werent scared of getting blacklisted for asking for actual money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just proving you need tipping to survive which is my whole point lol. if the job was worth doing for actual wages those servers wouldnt NEED the gamble. youre saying "id rather have 30 from tips than 15 guaranteed" which just means 15 sucks and we know it, so pay them 20 and kill the tip jar. the market didnt make that happen tipping did and tips arent magic theyre just us subsidizing cheap owners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour means BAD servers at the same place make like 12 because theyre slow or whatever, thats not rewarding good service thats just gambling with peoples rent. if the place needs tipping to function the owner is just passing his payroll onto customers and calling it meritocracy, thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is exactly the problem, its a lottery not a system. some places servers walk with 30/hr others get 8 bucks and both places r operating "fine" so nobody fixes it. thats not the market working thats the market *failing* poor servers while you celebrate the lucky ones. policy actually makes it consistent instead of gambling ur rent on whether its friday night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making 25-30 an hour at busy spots while the other half are scraping by at slow places is EXACTLY why this is broken. thats not the market working thats a lottery and ur cool with it cause youre winning rn, but thats selfish as hell
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your own point kills you, if good servers can make 25-30 an hour RIGHT NOW thats literally because theyre subsidizing bad owners who dont pay. youre celebrating a workaround for a broken system, not the system working. and "might never happen" is cope, other countries did it fine lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur betting your whole life on being in a busy spot and hoping customers feel like paying extra, thats not smart thats just gambling. and "25-30 an hour" is cherry picked as hell lol most servers dont pull that, youre picking the winners and ignoring everyone else working dead shifts at slow places. id take guaranteed 18 an hour over hoping for tips any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why this sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve, thats not efficient thats just cruel lottery. and those 25-30 places? theyre only busy cause theyre good restaurants that'd pay decent wages anyway. your system needs suffering to work and calls it merit lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol. "good servers make money if theyre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" is not a feature its a bug. the fact that you need *luck* plus *skill* plus *location* just to make rent while flipping burgers is exactly the problem policy fixes. youre defending randomness calling it choice
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving my point lol, youre saying servers make bank IF theyre at a busy spot IF theyre good looking IF customers feel generous, thats literally the definition of luck not a system. meanwhile a dishwasher at that same restaurant makes minimum wage for the same hours, tipping doesnt help them at all. wages fix it for everyone, ur bandaid only works for the cute girls at applebees
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving the point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make real money thats the system failing not working. why should a server at a dead diner have to pray for customers while the owner pockets guaranteed profit. thats not smart thats just accepting the scam. policy takes time sure but at least then everyones not gambling with rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point, you need LUCK to make 25-30 an hour, thats not a system thats a lottery. meanwhile your coworker at the dead location makes 8 bucks an hour doing the same job. thats broken lol. and "wait for policy" is weak when other countries already did it and their servers are fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so why fix the system" lol. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank but most dont and they know it, thats why theyre hoping for tips instead of demanding better pay. youre confusing individual wins with an actual solution, a bandaid that works for like 20% of people isnt the market fixing anything its just luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but ur still banking on servers being at busy places which literally proves its luck not skill lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception at like 5 restaurants in your city. most servers make 12-14 with tips included thats worse than a real wage guarantee. ur picking the best case scenario and pretending thats the system working
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart" = accept a system where ur paycheck depends on whether karen feels like it that day, that aint smart thats just stockholm syndrome. and those 25-30 hour servers? theyre the exception not the rule, most servers make garbage, you just keep ignoring that part cause it breaks ur whole thing
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers only make bank at BUSY places which means its not a system its just luck. skeleton crew spots pay garbage and nobody talks about those servers cause theyre invisible. tipping only works if ur already winning, thats not a fix its just gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just saying "id rather get lucky than have something guaranteed" which is exactly why this sucks. some servers crush it at busy spots and some get destroyed at dead locations making minimum wage in tips, its a lottery not a system. guaranteed wages would actually be predictable, ur just scared of the switch cause volatility benefits the lucky few and hurts everyone else
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol dude youre literally describing why this is broken. good servers making bank at busy spots while everyone else eats shit, thats not the market working thats a lottery. and "money today" falls apart the second business slows down or you get injured. youre defending a system that only works if ur lucky and young, thats a trash foundation for an industry
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work at busy places to make decent money means the system is broken, not working. if wages were real those good servers could work anywhere and still eat, but instead theyre trapped gambling on shifts and tips. thats not the market rewarding skill thats desperation looking like choice
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally the luck argument lol. good server at a busy place makes bank, same server at a dead spot makes shit. youre defending a system where your paycheck depends on where you randomly got hired and how many drunk people walk in that night. thats not smart thats just cope for why we shouldnt pay people fairly
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "it works great if ur lucky enough to be in a busy spot making bank while everyone else gets screwed" and thinking thats a winning argument lol. the fact that YOU personally can make 30 an hour doesnt mean the system isnt broken for the people stuck at the dead waffle house at 2am getting stiffed. thats not the market working thats survivor bias my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving my point. servers "being smart" by chasing tips means theyre gambling on busy shifts and good luck instead of having stable income. thats not a feature its a bug. and 25-30 an hour at busy places while other servers make 8? thats not the market working thats the market failing half of them. actual wages fixes that overnight, no gambling required
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers HAVE to depend on luck and busy shifts to make rent thats a broken system lol. why should someone's paycheck depend on whether they got the 6pm table or the dead shift. that aint the market working thats just gambling with bills
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh ur literally proving my point tho, good servers making 25-30 is only happening at busy spots which means most servers are eating shit at slow places, thats not the market working thats the market leaving people behind. and "wait for policy" isnt the counterargument when countries already did it and servers still make good money, ur just choosing to believe the lie that it cant work
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing luck and calling it strategy lol. "good servers at busy places make bank" yeah no shit, thats survivor bias. what about the server at a dead dennys working doubles for tips that dont exist, or the one at a slow tuesday shift. theyre not being dumb theyre just fucked by the schedule. real wages mean you dont have to pray for good shifts to eat, thats not hypothetical thats how every other industry works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work busy places to make rent means the system is broken not working. and those 25-30 an hour places? theyre subsidizing poverty wages everywhere else. id rather have stable money at a dead shift than pray im hot enough for tips, thats not being smart thats being desperate
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got lucky at a good spot so the system works" lol. thats not an argument thats just cope. most servers are NOT making 25-30, thats like top 10% in good markets. the rest are getting stiffed or working double shifts for scraps while owners laugh. wages fix it for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre cherry picking the busy spots again. most servers arent making 25-30, thats like top 10% at nice restaurants. average server makes like 18-20 with tips which still sucks and depends on getting steady shifts at good places. youre describing the exception and acting like its the rule, thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that a good server needs TIPS to make 25-30 means the base wage is dogshit and they're dependent on luck and customers mood swings. thats not a feature its a bug. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on whether tomorrows crowd tips well
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats cherry picking lol. most servers dont make 25-30, thats the busy places and weekend shifts. you're literally proving my point that tipping only works if youre lucky with location and schedule. a real wage means every server gets paid whether theyre slammed or dead, thats not hypothetical thats how every other job works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally describing why tipping is broken lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u get scheduled. and ur still ignoring that customers subsidizing wages means restaurants can undercut each other forever, no one ever has to actually pay people fairly. tipping doesnt fix it it just makes u think it does
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre cherry picking the busy spots tho lol. most servers arent making 25-30, theyre making like 18-20 and hoping rent doesnt go up. your "smart" move is just gambling on getting scheduled at the right place, thats not a system thats a lottery. and yeah policy takes time but at least its not dependent on whether karen tips you today
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats assuming youre a good server at a busy spot which like 30% of servers get lol, the rest are just getting screwed and hoping. youre literally saying "if youre lucky the market works" which is admitting the system is broken. plus good servers would still make bank with real wages PLUS tips, youre just defending the status quo cause it benefits you rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving you need luck tho, "good servers at busy places" isnt a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour disappears if ur shift sucks or restaurant dies, wages dont. ur trading stable money for hoping every night goes off, thats not smart thats desperation dressed up nice
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point tho, if a server needs tips to make decent money thats a failed system not a win. good servers shouldnt have to pray theyre busy or work somewhere upscale just to not be poor, thats not the market working thats servers getting lucky. real wages means everyone makes that 25-30 regardless of shift or location, not just the ones at the fancy spots
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "it works great if ur lucky enough to work somewhere busy" which proves its not reliable lol. a system that makes half the servers rich and half broke isnt the market working its just randomness. and yeah some servers make 30/hr NOW but most don't, ur just picking the winners. guaranteed wage floor fixes that, tipping doesn't.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those good servers making 30 an hour are literally subsidized by customers doing the restaurants job for them, plus the bad servers at dead locations make like 7 and eat shit. youre just ok with that lottery because youre picturing the high earner not the actual average server. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have the thing that works for me personally right now" which is exactly why this sucks lol. thats not an argument for the system being good its just saying you got lucky. the servers at dead diners making 8 bucks an hour dont get to be "smart" about it they just lose. policy fixes that, your system just shuffles who gets screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. good servers at busy spots making bank doesnt mean the system works, it means the system depends on luck and location. a server at a dead diner or slow tuesday shift is eating shit while your hypothetical 25/hr guy brags about it. policy doesnt take decades if you actually push it, youre just choosing the comfortable lie over fixing it for everyone.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point that it only works if youre "smart" enough to pick the right spot, thats not a system thats gambling. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre subsidizing slow shifts and bad days too, you just ignore that part cause it breaks ur argument lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers gotta "jump ship" to make money that means the system is broken not working lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what happens when youre at a busy place, most servers arent there. id rather have 18 guaranteed than hope im lucky enough to work at applebees on a saturday
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the ONLY reason tipping works and that only happens at busy spots. what about the server at some dead waffle house making 4 bucks an hour in tips? theyre not being smart theyre just fucked. you want a system that only works if youre lucky i want one that actually works for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying the system works if you get lucky enough to work somewhere busy, thats not a system thats a lottery. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre subsidizing their own wages through tips because the owner wont pay them, thats not the market thats just shifting costs onto customers. policy isnt hypothetical when every other developed country has already done it lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers are also one bad week away from eating shit when its slow, meanwhile a cook making 18 an hour knows whats coming. youre calling stability a hypothetical when its literally what every other job has lol, youre just defending tipping cause it benefits you rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank depends entirely on the restaurant being busy and tipping culture existing, thats not a system thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour at a nice place isnt the reality for 90% of servers, youre cherry picking the wins and ignoring all the people working dead shifts at applebees making 8 bucks an hour plus whatever scraps they get. thats not smart thats survival, policy fixes that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need luck tho lol, "good servers at busy places" is not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only if ur in a major city busting ur ass every shift, meanwhile back of house gets screwed and slow tuesday nights ur making 9 bucks. thats not the market working thats just gambling with your rent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers at busy places make bank but everyone else gets shafted and theres nothing they can do about it" thats not smart thats just accepting a broken system works for some people. why should it be a lottery instead of just paying people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just proving my point tho lol. you need tips to hit 25-30 which means the BASE job is broken and servers are gambling on busy shifts. id rather have guaranteed 20 an hour than hope im working a packed friday. your system only works if youre lucky, mine works for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "it works if youre lucky" and calling that a system lol. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank thats not the point the point is a line cook at applebees making 7.25 while you wait for tips that maybe come. wages fix it for EVERYONE not just the hot spots. stop coping
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur admitting the whole system depends on servers gambling that theyll land a good shift at a good place, thats literally luck dressed up as merit lol. and 25-30 an hour at some places while others make 12? thats not the market working thats a lottery. id rather everyone gets paid actual money instead of this broke system where ur income depends on whether karen tips or not. policy takes time yeah but at least its not rigged
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying tipping works great if youre at the right place at the right time, which is literally the definition of luck not a system. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half the shifts are dead, you're cherry picking busy nights. paying everyone 18 base means everyone actually gets it, not just whoever got hired at the fancy spot
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur comparing tipping at a good spot to minimum wage at a bad spot thats cherry picking lol. most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, thats literally the lucky ones you admitted exist. id rather guarantee everyone 18 an hour than hope ur good enough to get tipped well, thats not hypothetical in other countries and it works fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but youre just describing why tipping sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u get scheduled. and "money today vs maybe later" is exactly what keeps people trapped accepting garbage instead of demanding better. thats the trap
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur just describing why tipping is broken lmao. good servers making bank at busy spots while bad ones starve isn't the market working its people getting lucky with geography and shift timing. and 25-30 an hour disappears when its slow or ur sick or literally anything happens, wages dont. ur literally arguing the system works by saying "just be good AND work somewhere busy" which is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule and it only works in busy spots. the fact that you need luck and location to make decent money is the whole problem. real wages fixes it for everyone not just the ones who win the lottery. stop acting like a broken system that works sometimes is better than one that actually works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur conflating "some servers make bank" with "the system works" lol. yeah busy restaurants tip well, cool, but that doesnt help the dishwasher or the host or literally anyone else in the industry. youre just picking winners and calling it policy, thats not an argument thats luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" dressed up as economics. yeah good servers at busy places make bank NOW but thats not a system thats just luck, and the second business slows down or they get hurt theyre screwed. meanwhile youre cool with line cooks and hosts making 3 bucks an hour cause tipping culture decided thats not their job. thats not the market working thats just you benefiting from the broken part lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol. "good servers make 30 an hour IF theyre lucky enough to be busy" is not a system thats working for most people, thats survival of the fittest and youre just calling it freedom. min wage exists for a reason, you cant just tell people to gamble on tips and call it the market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, good servers make bank at nice places but thats because those spots can afford it NOT because tipping works, and the 10k people working at dennys for tips arent "being smart" theyre just stuck. policy takes time yeah but at least itll actually cover everyone instead of just rewarding luck of where u got hired
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. yeah some servers at good spots make bank but thats exactly the problem - its random as hell. why should a server at a dead waffle house at 6am make minimum while the same job at applebees happy hour prints money. thats not reward for good service thats just luck and location. and most servers dont make 25-30 an hour btw thats cherry picked as hell, median is like 18-20 after tips which isnt even that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got lucky so the system works" lol. yeah some servers at nice places make bank but most dont, and theyre the ones subsidizing cheap owners who refuse to pay. youre picking the winners and ignoring everyone else getting bent. thats not the market working thats just survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places and shit ones starve, thats not the market working thats luck of the draw. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what happens when customers subsidize wages instead of owners paying them. thats not smart thats settling for scraps and calling it a win
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting tipping only works if ur in a busy spot which means its not a system its just luck lol. and 25-30 an hour? thats not the average server that's cherry picked bullshit. most people are grinding for 12-15 after tip outs and getting stiffed constantly. id rather have guaranteed 18 an hour everywhere than pray im hot enough to work the good shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just admitting good servers subsidize bad ones through luck lol, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only works if youre slammed every shift which most places arent. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like thats normal when most servers make like 18-20 with dead shifts tanking their average. thats why its broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting tipping only works if ur already at a busy place, which means its not rewarding good service its rewarding luck of location. and 25-30 an hour at one restaurant doesnt mean shit if half the industry pays 12. thats not a system thats a lottery lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends entirely on luck and location, not skill. thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only works if places stay busy which they wont always, so ur betting peoples rent on random foot traffic. thats broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means MOST servers are eating shit at slow spots with no guarantee. thats not a system working thats just luck. and ur "money today" argument is cope when half the industry makes minimum wage doing the same job, tipping isnt meritocracy its just chaos
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre confusing "i personally benefit" with "the system works" lol. yeah some servers at olive garden make bank but thats literally because OTHER people at dennys are starving, thats not the market fixing anything thats just inequality with extra steps. your "smart" is just being born into the right shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers gotta GET LUCKY and work somewhere busy to make real money thats a broken system. why should anyone have to gamble on location and customer mood swings instead of just having stable pay? youre defending a casino not a job market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so youre admitting tipping only works if ur already busy which means its literally luck based not merit based, and most servers arent at fancy places making bank theyre at applebees making 12 an hour plus scraps. youre just defending a system that works for like 5% of people lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving my point harder. youre literally saying the ONLY way servers make decent money is if theyre at busy spots getting lucky with tips, thats not a system thats a lottery. and meanwhile slow diners pay their staff nothing cause nobody tips there anyway. thats broken not smart lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "being smart" is just gambling that you land at a busy spot, thats not a system thats just luck. and 25-30 an hour at applebees isnt the same as 25-30 guaranteed everywhere, most servers are making way less and you know it. youre picking the best case scenario and pretending thats normal
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying the system works great as long as you get lucky and work somewhere busy, thats literally admitting it doesnt work for most people. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either its just as much a gamble as waiting for policy, except policy actually helps the people at dead locations youre ignoring
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just admitting tipping only works if your good at your job or work at a busy place, thats not a system thats just luck dressed up as meritocracy. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its an average which means half the people are making way less. meanwhile a real wage floor means everyone eats, not just the servers at the olive garden lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur proving my point harder every time. youre saying good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places IF customers feel like paying IF its a good day, thats not a system thats gambling. a policy that guarantees 25 an hour beats your maybe 15 on a tuesday night every single time, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur picking the busiest spots to make your point work tho, average server makes way less than that and you know it. plus good luck jumping ship when every place uses the same broke system, ur not escaping anywhere youre just gambling on which restaurant treats you least bad. wages actually guarantee something instead of hoping ur shift doesnt suck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why tipping is broken lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just survival of the fittest with extra steps. and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is cope when other countries already did it and restaurants didnt explode, youre just scared of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, if servers need TIPS to hit 25-30 an hour then theyre not actually making that as their wage right, theyre making it because customers are subsidizing their boss's labor costs. thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps. just pay them and prices go up a few bucks, problem solved
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers at busy spots bank hard but the other 60% are scrambling and subsidizing cheap restaurants with their labor. thats not the market working thats just winners and losers and calling it choice. give everyone a real floor and the good ones still make bank, this isnt hard
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur literally saying "id rather have money today than wait for policy" which is just admitting tipping screws over servers at slow spots, new hires, and anyone unlucky enough to work nights. thats not smart thats just survivor bias lol you only see the winners not the ones eating shit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at NICE places which means tipping only works if youre already in a good spot, most servers arent. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what happens when tips go well, thats literally gambling for your rent. policy isnt a hypothetical its whats actually working in every other country
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving tipping only works if you get lucky with location and shift and customer mood, thats not a system thats a lottery. meanwhile a real wage works the same whether ur slammed or dead slow, thats the whole point. ur choosing to live on tips instead of pushing for what servers actually deserve
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are grinding at slow diners for like 12 an hour after tips. your "smart" argument only works if youre already at a busy spot, thats luck not skill. policy fixes it for everyone instead of rewarding whoever happened to get hired somewhere that slaps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers kill it at busy spots but most dont and those people are just subsidizing cheap restaurants so customers pay less. thats not the market working thats just shifting who pays for labor, and saying "wait for policy" is weak when we literally did it for other jobs already
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the ones at dead locations making 6 an hour" and calling it smart lol. thats not the market working thats you defending a rigged system because you happened to land somewhere busy. if the system was actually good it wouldnt depend on luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers make money IF theyre in busy spots" thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either lmao most servers make way less, youre just cherry picking the best case. real wages means everyone gets paid regardless of how packed the restaurant is that night, thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other job works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, if a server needs TIPPING to make 25-30 an hour instead of their actual wage then the system is broken as hell. why should a bartender at an airport kiosk make 5 bucks an hour while some dude at a busy restaurant rakes it in, thats not rewarding good service thats just luck of the draw. same skill same job wildly different pay depending on where you land, thats not market efficiency thats chaos
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, if good servers can ONLY make real money at busy places that means the system is broken not working. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what some people get on good shifts, thats not a wage its a lottery. id take 20 guaranteed over gambling on tips every single day, most people would too
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving the point lol, if servers only make good money at busy places thats not the market working thats servers getting lucky. real system wouldnt depend on where u work, it'd guarantee it. and 25-30 an hour at one restaurant while others make 8 is the opposite of fair, thats just randomness with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and starve at trash spots, its all luck of where you land not skill. and 25-30 an hour aint even guaranteed it depends on tips which means its not a real wage its gambling. id rather have 20 guaranteed than pray for 30
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if a server needs tips to make decent money thats not the market working thats the market failing and servers getting screwed. youre saying "be happy with crumbs today instead of fighting for real pay" which is just accepting the scam lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally banking on the luck that your restaurant is busy and your customers arent broke that day, thats not a system thats gambling. and the second a recession hits or tourism drops those 30 an hour servers are making 12. with a wage you actually know what youre getting paid lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur solution is "work at the busy place or stay poor" and mine is "everyone gets paid either way" but im the one with the hypothetical take. ur literally saying the system works great as long as servers get lucky with their shift or their restaurant, thats not smart thats just accepting a broken game
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at BUSY places which means theyre subsidized by customers not their boss, thats not the market working thats just luck of where u got hired. skeleton crew spots pay like shit and servers there eat it, where's the reward for good service there? ur system only works for like 20% of servers at good locations lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying tipping works great IF youre already at a busy spot which proves its luck not merit, and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half the time ur sitting around making nothing between rushes. min wage jobs in other countries dont tip and servers there do fine, ur just defending a broken system because ur used to it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "tipping works if youre lucky enough to be busy" and somehow thats better than guaranteed money? thats cope dude. good servers making 25-30 in manhattan doesnt help the server at dennys making 8 bucks a shift in nebraska, ur literally arguing the system works great if ur privileged and ignoring everyone else
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy bc you're banking on "good servers at busy places" lmao thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only works if customers feel obligated to tip which means the burden is still on them not the business, youre just mad at me for wanting to fix it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you're just proving my point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make decent money then the system is broken not working. youre saying tipping is necessary which means wages are too low, thats an indictment not a defense. and "money today" only works if youre at a busy spot, everyone else gets screwed while you get lucky, thats not a system thats a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make good money than have a guarantee" thats not smart thats cope. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour and you know it, youre cherry picking the best case scenario. a policy that gives everyone a floor beats a system where half the people are screwed and hoping for busy shifts lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur confusing "some people win the lottery" with "the system works" lol. yeah busy servers make bank but half the industry is getting stiffed or working dead shifts for nothing, youre just picking the winners and pretending thats proof tipping isnt broken. guaranteed wage means everyone eats, not just the lucky ones at the olive garden
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you're comparing real money today vs hypothetical but good servers at busy places already exist under policy in other countries, theyre making bank AND have stability instead of gambling on shifts. your "smart" is just accepting crumbs when you could demand the whole loaf lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is ONLY possible at busy places which means the system punishes servers at slow spots through no fault of their own. thats not rewarding good service thats rewarding location. and "wait for policy" is such a lazy excuse when other countries already did it and their servers are fine, yours just got used to the hustle culture cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur smart server making 30 an hour only exists if theyre at a busy place with rich customers, what about the server at the diner in nebraska working same job making 12 bucks an hour cause nobody tips there. tipping doesnt fix anything it just makes it a lottery and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but youre cherry picking the busy spots again lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats literally survivorship bias. and "money today" sounds great til the restaurant goes under or cuts your hours cause tips are down. with a real wage you dont have to pray the place stays packed, thats not hypothetical thats just not being broke all the time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank but most dont, thats the whole thing. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if its only happening 50 hours a week with zero benefits or stability. actual wages mean everyone eats not just the lucky ones at the good restaurants. ur arguing for a lottery not a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre still dodging the actual problem, most servers dont work at busy spots and the ones who do are literally gambling on shifts, tipping isnt smart its just luck and ur defending a system that only works if ur fortunate. wages are guaranteed, not a maybe
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point for me lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make minimum is EXACTLY the problem, its not fair and its not sustainable. if wages were built in everyone gets paid either way instead of gambling on whether ur restaurant gets traffic that day, thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather have a broken system that works for me personally than fix it for everyone" lol. yeah some servers make bank at busy spots thats exactly my point, they won a lottery ticket. most people dont and you know it, youre just mad cause youd lose your 30 an hour. but sure lets keep 40% of servers making poverty wages so the lucky ones can brag
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole defense is "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt fix the system" thats not smart thats just coping. and yeah 25-30 in a busy spot but what about the 11pm closer at applebees making 8 an hour on a tuesday, ur not talking about them cause they dont fit ur narrative. guaranteed wages fixes both
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol dude ur literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats the market FAILING. if tipping actually rewarded service youd see it everywhere but instead its just luck of where u work, thats broken not smart
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, good servers making bank at busy places is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are grinding at dead spots making 12 an hour while customers dont tip. youre calling a lottery system "the market working" when its just gambling. hard pass
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots while everyone else gets screwed is exactly the problem. thats not the market working thats just luck of the draw. why should a server at applebees take home 8 bucks an hour cause their location sucks, thats not meritocracy thats just sad
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is the EXCEPTION not the rule and it requires them to work at a busy place at the right time, thats not a system thats a lottery. and acting like waiting for policy is worse than hoping youre hot enough to get decent shifts is copium, most servers arent pulling 30 an hour youre just naming the best case scenario
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so your whole thing is "tipping works great if youre already at a good spot" which is literally admitting the system is broken for most people. thats not a feature thats a bug dude. and 25-30 an hour is cap anyway, average server makes way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky at a busy place than have guaranteed money" and calling it smart lol. thats not an argument thats cope. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the cherry on top for like 5% of servers, most make way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "tipping works great if ur lucky enough to be hot or work at a busy place" thats literally admitting the system sucks for most people, u just dont care cause youre doing fine. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half ur shifts get stiffed, thats just math my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yo thats actually insane logic lol, ur saying "tipping works great if youre at a busy place" as if that proves the system works. thats just proving some servers eat and others dont based on luck not merit. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half your shifts are dead, ur doing math on good days only. guaranteed wage doesnt need to pass tomorrow to be worth wanting, your band aid just lets owners keep paying 2.13 and calling it a feature
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tipping to make rent which is the problem lol. good servers shouldnt have to depend on random busy shifts and customer mood to afford living, thats not smart thats just accepting a broken system. real wages mean everyone eats regardless, tipping is just hoping
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers in busy spots make bank but thats literally luck of where u work, and most dont. plus youre ignoring that tipping disappears the second business slows down so its not stable income its just casino money. minimum wage doesnt get worse when recessions hit, that actually protects people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are working at applebees on a saturday night, half your industry is dead shifts making 8 bucks an hour hoping someone tips. youre picking the cherry on top and calling it a system lol. guaranteed wage isnt hypothetical its literally how every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol. "good servers make bank at busy places" means the whole system depends on WHERE you work not WHAT you do, thats luck not merit. and ur cool with servers at slow diners eating shit wages cause they picked the wrong spot? thats a broken system bro not a feature
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank only works if theyre at busy places and customers are feeling generous, thats not a system thats a lottery. and meanwhile back of house gets nothing cause nobody tips dishwashers. id take guaranteed 25/hr over hoping some rich guy comes thru
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank depends entirely on WHERE they work and HOW BUSY it is, thats luck not skill lol. and the ones at slow diners or dead shifts? theyre screwed. real wages fix that for everyone instead of creating winners and losers based on which restaurant got lucky with foot traffic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and broke servers at bad places, thats not the market working thats just luck of where u end up. and waiting for policy "takes years" but tipping has been around 100 years and STILL hasnt fixed it, so wheres ur solution actually working
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving my point, the fact that good servers NEED tipping to make decent money means the system is broken not working. if ur job requires gambling on customers to pay rent thats not the market rewarding you thats the market failing you. wages fix it today not tomorrow
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving you dont trust the market to pay servers fairly without tips, thats why you need tips to hit 25-30. if tipping actually worked wed have restaurants failing left and right cause they cant find staff, instead theyre just fine squeezing people. youre describing a broken system and calling it working
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving my point harder lol. "good servers make 25-30 in busy places" yeah and bad luck servers at dead spots make 8 an hour plus whatever scraps they get. thats not a system thats a lottery. id take guaranteed 20 over hoping im cute enough for tips, most people would
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro you just proved my point again lol, good servers are making bank in SPITE of the system not because of it. if those same people got 25-30 an hour guaranteed PLUS tips theyd be even richer, but instead they subsidize the trash spots where nobody tips. youre literally arguing we should keep a broken system cause some people got lucky, thats peak cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at slow spots are stuck making minimum while doing the same job, tipping just makes it a lottery instead of fair. and "money today vs hypothetical" is cope when other countries already proved it works, ur just defending a broken system cuz it benefits YOU rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works ONLY if ur lucky enough to land there. thats not a feature its a bug. most servers dont make 25-30, thats the exception. id rather have a floor that works everywhere than hope the lottery picks me
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means the system works great if youre lucky and sucks if ur not, thats not a feature thats a bug. and "15 might never happen" is cope when places are already paying that voluntarily cause theyre not insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers make bank at olive garden but the ones at dead diners are making 6 an hour plus tips that barely exist, youre ignoring like half the industry cause it doesnt fit ur story. thats not the market working thats luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except youre only talking about the busy places which proves my point lol, most servers arent making 25-30 an hour theyre making 12-15 with zero consistency. youre picking the cherry picked example and acting like thats the norm when it isnt. and "money today" only works if your restaurant doesnt suck, thats still luck not skill
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just proving my point lol, ur saying good servers make bank but only if theyre working the right spot which means the system depends on luck not merit, thats broken. and $25 an hour at one place while everyone else gets scraps isnt the market working its just inequality with extra steps, a real wage floor fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you just said the quiet part out loud lmao, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just shifting who gets crushed. and 25-30 an hour only happens at busy spots so ur literally admitting its luck based not merit based. thats the problem not the solution
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places so they dont need tips to survive, its the slow diners and dead shifts that need tips to NOT starve. so tipping rewards luck not service, and if youre making 25-30 an hour thats already a livable wage so why are we even arguing, just pay everyone that baseline and tips become actual tips for going above and beyond instead of survival money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, if a server has to GET LUCKY working somewhere busy to make decent money then the system is broken, not working. you want people gambling on location while i want everyone guaranteed a floor. and yeah some policy takes time but at least its not relying on randos tipping well, thats not an argument against fixing it its just cope about the current mess
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is just luck of the draw depending on where they work and how busy it is, thats not a system thats a lottery. and the fact that you'd rather gamble on tips than guarantee 25-30 an hour as baseline is wild, youre choosing instability to own the libs or something
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just "im fine with a broken system if i personally win the lottery" lol. good servers banking 30/hr doesnt mean shit when most of them arent at busy spots and the whole industry runs on that luck. why are you defending a system that only works for some people instead of one that works for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at BUSY places which means the system works great if ur lucky enough to work somewhere popular, garbage if ur not. thats not a feature thats a bug. wages just means everyone gets paid either way instead of playing the lottery. ur whole thing is "well if ur good AND work somewhere busy its fine" mine is "just pay people"
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is EXACTLY the luck factor im talking about. what about the slow shift people or the ones at dead locations? they make minimum wage plus scraps. youre only defending the system cause it works for some people, thats not a defense thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "i got mine so who cares about everyone else" lmao. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank on tips but most dont, and thats the whole thing. youre defending a system where your paycheck depends on luck and your boss's mood instead of actually guaranteeing people can eat. thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur just proving you dont want a FIX you want servers to gamble on whether theyre at a busy spot or not, thats not a system thats just luck dressed up as choice. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half the shifts dont hit that, youre averaging your good days lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather get paid by strangers gambling on my mood than have a guarantee" which is insane lol. yeah some busy servers do well but most dont, and thats the whole thing - why should your rent depend on whether table 6 thinks you smiled enough. guaranteed money isnt hypothetical its literally how every other job works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur argument is "tipping works great if youre already at a busy place" which proves its garbage. why should someone making rent depend on getting lucky with location or their manager's mood instead of just... having a job that pays? ur literally saying "accept instability and hope" is better than stability. thats cope dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots while bad servers at dead locations make minimum. thats not the market working thats just luck. and youre cool with that being someones life? thats wild. id rather everyone has a floor than some people gamble on tips
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if a server needs TIPS to hit 25-30 an hour then the job itself is broken and relying on customers to do the employers job. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome, you're defending a system that only works if people subsidize it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve proves the system is broken not working. why should someone's rent depend on whether their boss scheduled them at a restaurant people actually want to go to? thats not merit thats a lottery and calling it smart just means youre cool with half the workforce eating shit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank means bad ones are eating shit and relying on luck not skill, thats not a feature its a bug. and ur betting on tipping staying at 25-30 when restaurants are already pushing 20% as the baseline, it erodes every year. actual floor beats a gamble
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on luck and customer mood for their paycheck instead of just getting paid. thats not being smart thats stockholm syndrome lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt the average its the cherry spot, most servers are making way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers making 25-30 are the ones at busy spots, everyone else is broke and ur cool with that as long as some people win the lottery. plus ur assuming tips stay that high forever lol, inflation hits those numbers too and the owner never has to raise base pay. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on good shifts, policy isn't hypothetical its literally happening in other places rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah cool so youre banking everything on servers being lucky enough to work somewhere busy and hoping tips stay high forever lol, thats not a plan thats cope. and "money today" doesnt matter if half the industry makes minimum wage in slow spots, ur just picking winners and ignoring the rest
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are stuck in dead shifts at dead locations and tipping doesnt save them, theyre making 10 an hour in tips. youre just picking the best case scenario and pretending thats how it works for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and thats exactly why its a bad system lol. youre saying "some servers at good spots make decent money NOW so we shouldnt fix it for everyone" thats just survivor bias dude. what about the person at a slow diner making 8 an hour hoping for tips that never come, ur just leaving them hanging. also 25-30 an hour is not real if it tanks when business is slow or ur stuck with bad customers. wages are guaranteed, tips are gambling. id take consistent money over the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping is broken lol, the fact that a server has to be "smart" and pick a busy restaurant to make decent money instead of just... having a job that pays them is the whole problem. thats not the market working thats survival of the fittest and its dogshit for everyone else
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares if other servers are eating shit at dead locations" thats not smart thats just survivorship bias. and 25-30 an hour only happens at the places that dont need tipping to survive anyway, those spots would pay fine wages too. ur argument only works if u ignore literally everyone else
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving servers shouldnt have to gamble on luck to make decent money lmao. if tipping is so good why does every server hate it and why do we need it in some countries but not others. places with real wages dont have skeleton crews either, ur just defending a broken system cause you benefit from it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if a good server needs tips to make 25-30 an hour that means the BASE wage is trash tier and theyre dependent on luck. thats not the market rewording excellence thats the market punishing the restaurant for underpaying and making servers gamble on customers. id rather have 25 guaranteed than pray for it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers making 30 an hour are also one bad shift or slow month away from broke while some line cook making minimum wage gets steady paychecks lol, ur just describing volatility not a real solution. id take guaranteed 20 over maybe 30 sometimes any day, that aint hypothetical thats just not being dumb with ur own money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw based on where u work and how busy it is. some 16 year old at a dead ihop making 8 an hour isnt "being dumb" theyre just screwed, policy fixes that tipping never will
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts instead of having guaranteed income, thats not being smart thats being stockholm syndrome. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its what maybe 10% of servers at nice places make, everyone else is scraping by on shit tips at casual restaurants. your whole thing only works if youre hot or lucky, thats not a system its a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur argument is "servers should gamble on being busy instead of guaranteed income" which is insane, thats literally just Stockholm syndrome for a broken system. and that 25-30 an hour? thats like 3 servers at a packed restaurant on a friday night, most people make way less and ur ignoring it to make ur point sound better. thats not smart thats just copium
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur proving my point harder every time lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour is ONLY happening at busy spots, everyone else is getting screwed and hoping for decent tables. thats not the market working thats a lottery. and "policy takes time" isnt an argument against it, its just cope for why we should accept a broken system NOW instead of fixing it. id rather have guaranteed 20 an hour everywhere than pray im hot enough to work the right restaurant
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving my point harder lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make 8 an hour is literally tipping admitting it's broken. if the system worked you wouldnt need luck and location to not be broke, thats exactly the problem chief
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need to be lucky to make 25-30 an hour which means the system is broken lol. good servers subsidizing bad restaurants while some places dont even have tipping culture and their workers do fine anyway. youre arguing the lottery is better than a salary, thats an L take
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve proves the system is broken not working. why should it depend on where you work or how lucky you get, thats not meritocracy thats just chaos. pay people fairly and good service still happens except everyone doesnt get screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy when ur best case scenario is "hope youre busy and hope your boss doesnt schedule you for dead shifts" lol. thats not a system thats just gambling. real wages mean everyone gets paid same whether its tuesday or saturday, but sure lets just cross our fingers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while trash servers at slow spots make minimum wage means the system is broken as hell. if wages were just built in everyone gets paid fair instead of gambling on whether their shift is busy or dead, stop acting like a band aid that only works sometimes is better than just paying people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while trash servers at slow spots make minimum wage PLUS having to hustle for tips is exactly the problem. why should your paycheck depend on where you work and how hot the restaurant is. thats not a system thats just chaos with winners and losers. real wages fix that.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank means SOME people win the lottery while everyone else gets screwed, thats not a system thats just cope. and "might never happen" is weak, min wage has been raised before it'll happen again. youre just defending the status quo cause it works for like 10% of people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving why this sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u got hired. and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business gets slow. id take guaranteed 18 over hoping tables tip me every shift ngl
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving tipping only works if YOUR restaurant is busy and YOUR server is hot and charming, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the cherry picked example, most servers are stuck at 12-15 after tips. id take a guaranteed 18 over gambling every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have security" lol thats not a system thats just cope. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre subsidizing their own bad days by eating shit at slow tables, youre describing gambling not wages. actual jobs pay consistent money, not vibes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just proving the point tho, good servers make bank at nice places and garbage servers at trash places make minimum, so tipping only works if you already won the location lottery. thats not a feature its a bug. real wages means everyone gets paid regardless of where they land, no luck required
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour is exactly the problem. why should your paycheck depend on where you work or how cute you are instead of just getting paid? thats not the market working thats just luck with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour ONLY at busy places means the system is broken for everyone else. thats not the market working thats the market being rigged by luck. and ur betting on tips staying high forever which is delusional, theyre already down and declining
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by admitting tipping only works if youre in the right place at the right time, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt the reality for most servers anyway thats cherry picking the best spots, the average server makes like 12-14 with tips included which is trash. youre asking people to gamble on getting busy shifts instead of just paying them fairly to begin with lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve at dead spots isnt the market working thats just lottery tickets. and that "money today" argument is exactly what keeps this broken, why do we accept that servers gotta gamble on whether theyll eat this month while literally every other job just pays people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers make bank at busy places, bad servers starve at dead ones. thats not rewarding good service thats just luck of the draw on location. and waiting years is cope when other countries already did this and their servers do fine, yall just scared of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" is exactly why its a broken system. why should your paycheck depend on how packed the restaurant is that night instead of just... paying people? thats not the market thats just gambling with rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart and get lucky" isnt a system its just cope. yeah some servers kill it at applebees on friday night but half are stuck at dead diners making 8 bucks an hour and hoping. youre literally arguing people should gamble on tips instead of getting paid, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers only make bank at busy places which means the system punishes bad luck and rewards restaurants for being in good locations, not for being good businesses. thats not the market working thats randomness with extra steps. and btw those 25-30 an hour jobs disappear fast if tips tank, wages dont lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just describing survivorship bias lmao. yeah some servers make bank at busy spots but thats literally the luck part, most dont. and "money today vs hypothetical" is dumb when other countries already did it and servers are fine, youre just scared of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole thing is "tipping works if ur lucky enough to be busy and good looking" which is literally just saying the system is broken and we're supposed to be cool with it. thats not being smart thats just stockholm syndrome, ur defending a system that leaves half the servers eating shit while pretending its freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "i make good money so who cares if the system is broken for everyone else" which is peak selfish lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either thats just YOU at a good spot, plenty of servers make garbage and have to smile through it anyway. pay everyone a real wage and good servers still make bank, bad ones actually get fired instead of just existing. thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other industry works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yo but thats just proving my point lol, the ONLY reason those servers make 25-30 is because customers are subsidizing their wage. thats not the market rewarding skill thats customers doing the job of an employer. and busy places arent some magical skill zone, its just luck where you get hired. you're defending a system that punishes servers at slow spots for no reason other than location. thats not smart its just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers NEED tipping to make 25-30 an hour that means the base job is worth shit and you know it. ur just saying "id rather exploit the current broken system than fix it" lol thats not smart thats just accepting a worse deal for everyone cause youre scared of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "tipping works great if youre already lucky enough to work somewhere busy" which proves its not a system its just gambling. and the 25-30 an hour thing is cap - thats cherry picking the top spots in major cities not the median server making 12 an hour in des moines. ur defending a system that only works for some people and calling it better than guaranteeing it for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "i got mine so who cares if other servers are broke" lol. yeah good servers at busy spots make bank but half the industry is still making 8 bucks an hour plus whatever randos feel like giving them. thats not the market working thats just luck of the draw and ur cool with leaving people hanging as long as YOU eat good
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur admitting good servers are making bank on tips which means theyre literally subsidized by customers not employers, and the second business gets slow theyre screwed. thats not being smart thats just survivorship bias. youre celebrating a system where your paycheck depends on how busy the restaurant is, not how good you actually are. thats the opposite of rewarding service
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur saying the system works great... for the servers who already won the location lottery lol. what about the ones stuck at dead diners making 6 bucks an hour in tips? theyre not being smart theyre just trapped and ur cool with that as long as some people get 30/hr. thats not a feature its a bug
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, servers making bank is literally dependent on WHERE they work not HOW GOOD they are, so its just luck wrapped in different words. and that 25-30 an hour? thats like 3 people in manhattan, most servers get 12-16 if theyre busy. ur cherry picking the exception and acting like thats the system working
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just scared of change lol. "money today" only works if you're already at a good spot, which proves my point that tipping is luck based. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception, most servers make trash. youre picking the best case scenario and calling it a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why tipping IS broken lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u get hired. and ur whole "money today" thing ignores that most servers arent at those 25-30 spots theyre at denny's getting stiffed by broke people. policy takes time sure but at least it fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones at busy restaurants
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank and bad ones starve which means the SYSTEM depends on luck not merit. why should someone working just as hard at a slow spot make 10 an hour while the busy place server makes 30, thats not rewarding service thats rewarding location. actual wages would pay for the work not the luck of the draw
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers at busy places make bank but everyone else gets screwed" lol thats not the market working thats the market failing most people. and 15 an hour isnt hypothetical its already law in half the country, your 25-30 only happens if you hustle 60 hours a week at the right place. id rather have a floor than pray im lucky enough to find one
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get paid by customers than my boss" which isnt a flex for tipping its an indictment lol. if tipping was actually a system that worked youd want it everywhere but you dont, you want it for restaurants only cause everywhere else figured out real wages. youre coping hard
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point harder each time lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make 25-30 an hour thats the system failing not working. and plenty of places already pay real wages without tips, they dont implode. ur scared of change cause the current chaos benefits some people short term, thats it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if a server needs tips to hit 25-30 an hour then the BASE wage sucks and the whole system is rigged. good servers subsidizing bad owners isnt the market working its just you being ok with getting screwed as long as you win the lottery sometimes. hard pass
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving you dont care about the system working for everyone lol, youre cool with servers at dead diners eating shit while the olive garden people stack cash. thats not the market rewarding skill its just randomness based on where you got hired. and 25-30 an hour only happens if youre hot or work fine dining, most servers are getting like 16-18 with tips included. stop acting like the current thing is working when half the industry is barely surviving
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point again lol, good servers make bank at busy places and starve at slow ones, thats not a system thats a lottery. and that 25-30 only works if customers keep tipping which they wont if they get taxed to death paying inflated menu prices instead, youre betting everything on people staying generous forever lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, if good servers are making bank and jumping ship then bad places ARE hemorrhaging staff which means they either pay up or die, but theyre not dying theyre just... staying mediocre and understaffed which means the market isnt actually punishing them. you need both wages AND tips or it collapses, i only need wages. your system requires luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers only make real money at busy places thats not the market working thats luck and location. and "money today" only works if YOUR place is slammed, at a dead spot ur still broke. why should it depend on where u randomly work. just pay people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur just admitting youre cool with servers gambling on tips instead of having stable income, thats not the market working thats just normalizing financial instability as long as SOME people get lucky. and "money today" doesnt mean shit if half the servers out there are making 9 an hour cause theyre at a slow diner, ur just picking winners and ignoring everyone else to feel right about it lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lmao. servers making bank at busy spots while others get screwed isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw. and 25-30 an hour only happens if youre hot or work somewhere packed, most servers dont live that fantasy. wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally betting everythign on servers being in busy spots and customers tipping well, thats not a system thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half your shifts youre making 12 cause it was slow, you're just averaging the good days. guaranteed wages aint hypothetical theyre already working in like half the country, stop pretending its impossible
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol. good servers making 25-30 is great for like 5 guys at busy spots but what about the other 95% working lunch shifts at dennys getting stiffed? ur whole system only works if ur lucky enough to work the right place at the right time. thats not a feature thats a bug. real wages fix everyone not just the ones in the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy spots but bad ones at slow places make dogshit and have zero leverage, so tipping only works if ur already winning. thats not a system thats a lottery. actual wages would let everyone eat regardless of where they land
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get paid by customers than my boss" which is insane lol. that money isnt magic it comes from somewhere, and if a server at a dead spot makes 12 an hour in tips thats on them not some genius market move. policy sets the floor so everyones not gambling on whether they picked the right restaurant, thats not hypothetical thats how every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers HAVE to rely on random luck and customer generosity to make decent money IS the problem. and 25-30 an hour only happens at busy spots in good areas, most servers are making way less and hoping. guaranteed wages isnt hypothetical its literally how every other developed country does it, but sure lets keep this broken system going so a few lucky people can maybe hit 30 bucks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but "being smart" is just code for "im lucky enough to work somewhere busy" lol, you literally proved it. slow restaurant? ur stuck making minimum. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market being random and broken. we dont let doctors get paid based on tips, we pay them real money so theyre actually motivated. why is food service different
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends on the restaurant being busy which is pure luck not skill, and most servers arent at those spots theyre at applebees getting stiffed by broke people. tipping only works if ur lucky enough to work somewhere good, thats a broken system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but ur cherry picking the good spots lol, most servers aren't making 25-30 and you know it. thats survivorship bias. the average server gets stiffed constantly and relies on tips to not eat ramen, thats not the market working thats just luck. policy takes time sure but it actually protects everyone not just the hot restaurant workers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather gamble on tips than have guaranteed money" which is wild bc most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, thats the busy spot cope. median tip server makes like 18-19 which isnt better than a real wage plus tips would still exist lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is exactly WHY the system is broken. those 25-30/hr people are subsidizing owners who refuse to pay, and the mediocre servers and hosts at dead spots are eating shit. thats not the market working thats just luck of the draw deciding who eats. real wages means EVERYONE gets paid whether youre slammed or dead, not just whoever landed the good shift at the busy place. youre celebrating that some people win the l
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
so ur saying the system works as long as servers gamble on getting busy shifts and hope theyre attractive enough to get tipped well lol thats not smart thats just cope. a good server at a dead dennys makes 10 an hour while a mediocre one at a packed place makes 30, the skill doesnt matter its just luck. meanwhile ur saying dont pass policy just hope ur lucky. id rather guarantee everyone 20 an hour than tell them to cross their fingers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying tipping works great as long as youre in a busy spot making bank but sucks if ur not, and calling that "being smart" instead of just getting lucky. thats literally proving my point that its not a system its a lottery, and telling people to gamble on rent is insane. id rather have 20 guaranteed than pray for 30
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur still dodging the core thing which is why should a server's paycheck depend on whether karen tips or not instead of just being guaranteed, youre literally just saying "tipping works for people lucky enough to be good at it" which isnt a defense of the system its just admitting the system sucks lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving you need luck to eat, that aint a system its a slot machine. yeah some servers get 30/hr at the busy spot but what about the person who draws the slow shift or the new place or literally any restaurant that isnt packed every night. ur fine with most people losing the bet so long as some win big, thats just being ok with a rigged game my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck and the right location to make decent money, thats not a system thats a lottery. and those 25-30 places? theyre maybe 20% of restaurants max, the rest of your coworkers are making 8 bucks an hour plus whatever drunk people feel like giving. thats not winning the market thats just being lucky where you work. actual wages fix it for everyone not just the people at busy spots
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just describing why tipping is broken lol. good servers making bank at busy spots while bad servers at dead places starve IS the problem, not the fix. and "money today vs hypothetical" is cope when half the industry is already stuck in that hypothetical forever. policy isnt slower than hoping youre born into a good shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving you need to be lucky which means its not a system its a gamble. busy restaurant server makes bank cool story, what about the one at the dead diner at 6am nobody goes to. theyre on their feet 8 hours making like 12 bucks. thats not the market rewarding good service thats just randomness. real system treats people the same not based on foot traffic roulette
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need BOTH because tipping only works if ur already at a busy spot, thats not a system thats luck. and "25-30 an hour" isnt real if half your shifts get cut when business slows, you aint getting guaranteed anything. wages guarantee it, tips dont, thats the difference
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats exactly the problem lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw. and ur betting your whole retirement on staying young and hot enough to work fine dining, one bad shift or injury and ur screwed. actual wages means everyone eats regardless, not just the pretty girl at applebees. cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour at busy places while bad locations cant staff anyone, that inequality IS the problem. if everyone just got paid 18-20 base nobody has to pray theyre scheduled at the right spot, thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other country does it and it works fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you just proved MY point lol. good servers making bank depends entirely on where they work and how busy it is, thats pure luck not skill. meanwhile under real wages everyones baseline is solid regardless. ur defending a system where your paycheck is a lottery ticket and calling it smart
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers make bank at nice places but thats the lottery, not a system. meanwhile everyones else is subsidizing corporations so you get cheap tacos and the server eats shit at dennys. real wage just works for everybody instead of gambling on tips, thats not hypothetical thats how every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally banking on servers being in busy spots staying there forever which they arent, and youre ignoring that half the service industry makes way less than 25 an hour cause they work dead shifts or slower joints. youre describing the best case scenario and calling it a system lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and that 25-30 only happens if youre hot or work fine dining or get lucky with shift times, meanwhile a server at applebees making 12 an hour is subsidizing the whole system so you can feel good about your "market" working. thats not the market thats just slavery with extra steps lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places" which proves its luck not skill lol. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business slows down or they get a bad shift, wages don't. youre choosing instability over guaranteed money and calling it winning
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving the point tho, if good servers can ONLY make real money at busy places thats literally the market failing most people lol. thats why its a system problem not a personal problem, ur whole argument is "some people get lucky and thats fine" which is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just describing why its broken lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working its just them getting lucky with location or looks. and that 25-30 thing only works during rush hours at decent places, most servers are getting stiffed constantly. youre literally arguing "some people win the lottery so we don't need salaries" which is insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have the system that works sometimes for some people than the system that works for everyone" thats not an argument thats cope lol. yeah 30 an hour is sick when youre slammed but what about the 4pm tuesday shift or the new person nobody tips, theyre making like 8 bucks. your system only works if youre lucky which is exactly the L i keep pointing out
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur whole thing is "it works IF youre busy and lucky" which proves its not reliable, thats literally my point. a system where your rent depends on hoping tables tip well is broken full stop. and 25-30 an hour at a busy spot vs 15 guaranteed? id take the guarantee, at least i can budget.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if a server needs tips to make 25-30 an hour that means the BASE wage is garbage and they only hit that number if theyre at a busy spot with rich customers, thats not the market rewarding good service thats luck of the draw. you want servers gambling on shift luck instead of just getting paid, wild
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting it only works if ur "lucky enough" to be busy which proves its random not merit based lol. also 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either thats just good nights, bad nights you make nothing. id take stable 18 over gambling every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats cherry picking lol, 25-30 an hour is what happens at nice restaurants in big cities not applebees in ohio. majority of servers are making like 18-20 with the stress tax included and its not even consistent. youre literally arguing the system works great if youre lucky enough to be in the right spot, thats not an argument thats just admitting it sucks for most people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so youre saying tipping works great... for the lucky servers at busy spots while everyone else gets screwed and relies on charity from customers. thats not a system thats a lottery. and "money today vs waiting" is cope - places like seattle and sf have higher minimums and servers there still get tips ON TOP. youre just defending a broken thing cause it benefits you rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, servers making bank right now are only doing it cause OTHER people are subsidizing their wage through tips while busboys and dishwashers get nothing. thats not the market working thats just shifting who pays, and it only works if youre in a busy spot. most servers dont make 25-30, ur cherry picking
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre proving my point harder every time lol. so servers have to rely on luck and busy shifts to make decent money instead of just getting it guaranteed? thats not the market working thats just gambling. and most servers dont make 25-30, youre cherry picking the good spots. id take a guaranteed 20 over hoping im busy any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank means BAD servers are getting crushed, thats not a system working thats survival of the fittest and half the industry getting shafted. and lmao "might never happen" - every other developed country did it already, ur just coping that paying people fairly is somehow impossible here
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah your whole thing falls apart when a server gets sick or needs a day off, suddenly theyre making nothing. plus youre banking on staying busy forever lol, recession hits and tips dry up, youre making $8 an hour again. guaranteed wage doesnt care if its tuesday or a holiday, thats the point
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers NEED tips to make decent money means the system is broken not working. nobody should have to gamble on whether randos feel generous that night. and that 25-30 an hour? thats NOT guaranteed its just what busy places pay sometimes, most servers make way less. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like its normal
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally admitting servers need tips to survive which means the base wage is broken, then saying dont fix it just hope ur busy that night. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome. why should good service workers have to gamble on foot traffic instead of just... getting paid?
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers are "lucky" enough to make 25-30 an hour thats exactly the problem. the other 70% stuck in slow shifts or dead locations make like 12 bucks. thats not the market working thats a lottery. id rather guarantee everyone gets paid than have some servers win the wage game while others get screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point harder lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour at busy spots is literally what i said - theyre lucky. meanwhile a server at a dead location or someone whos new gets fucked and relies on charity from customers. thats not a system thats gambling. real wages fix that for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers have to HOPE theyre at a busy spot to make decent money instead of just getting paid is exactly the problem. youre celebrating a broken system where your paycheck depends on luck and customer mood instead of actually doing your job. thats not the market working thats just stockholm syndrome but make it economics
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, you need LUCK to make 25-30 an hour, thats not a system thats a lottery. meanwhile im saying pay everyone that baseline so nobodys stuck crossing their fingers that tonight is busy. youre celebrating that some servers win the tipping game instead of just making it so everybody gets paid. thats cooked
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to gamble on being busy and hope for tips to make decent money instead of just... getting paid is exactly the problem. and most servers arent making 25-30 an hour at dead shifts, youre cherry picking the good nights. id rather have a guarantee than cross my fingers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers NEED tips to make 25-30 means the base wage is broken and they're at the mercy of luck and busy shifts, thats not smart thats just accepting a garbage system. id rather have guaranteed money than pray for good tables, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point again lol. good servers making 25-30 right now means they DEPEND on getting slammed at busy places, one bad shift and theyre broke. thats not security thats russian roulette. id take guaranteed 20 an hour over hoping for tips any day, thats not hypothetical thats how every other country does it and it works fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is ONLY happening at busy places which means the system depends on luck not merit, thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market rewarding location. and those servers are still getting shafted on slow shifts while your solution leaves the bad spots exactly as broken. real wages fixes both problems at once
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing servers should gamble on luck instead of having stable income, thats not smart thats just accepting a worse deal and calling it a win. and those 25-30 an hour numbers? thats cherry picked busy shifts not the average, most servers work slow nights too lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur solution is "hope you get hired at a busy place and hope customers feel generous today" while mine is everyone gets paid either way, but im the one with the bad idea? nah dude thats just Stockholm syndrome for the service industry, you've normalized chaos and called it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so youre admitting good servers making bank is the exception not the rule which proves its a lottery not a system, and yeah lemme just tell the guy at applbees that hes being smart by gambling on busy shifts instead of having a guaranteed paycheck. youre arguing the status quo works for the lucky few and calling that logic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre just proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is literally dependent on OTHER peoples tips subsidizing them, which means bad servers at busy places make bank and good servers at dead spots starve. thats not rewarding good service thats just rewarding where u work, and thats exactly why its broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, if good servers NEED tipping to make decent money thats exactly the problem. youre saying the system works by hoping ur busy and hoping ur customers feel generous, thats not a system thats luck. and now ur telling people to just accept that instead of pushing for actual wages lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" which is peak selfish. yeah good servers at busy places make bank but what about the ones at slow diners or coffee shops getting slapped with 2 dollar tips? they subsidize YOUR higher wages. real policy helps everyone not just the lucky few, but sure stay mad about it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, "good servers make money IF theyre at a busy place" isnt a system its a lottery. and ur cool with the bad servers at slow spots making like 8 bucks an hour? thats not smart thats just accepting a broken setup because you got lucky. wages fix it for everyone not just the ones in the right restaurant
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is just randomness based on which restaurant theyre at and how busy it is that week, thats not a system thats a lottery. and the fact that ur okay waiting for tips instead of guaranteed money shows how badly tipping has broken peoples expectations, ur settling for crumbs and calling it winning
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting good servers only make bank at busy places which means its luck not merit, and the second theyre unlucky theyre fucked. thats not the market working thats just individual servers gambling on location. wages mean everywhere pays decent, tipping means half the industry gets exploited and u act like thats freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt fix the system" lmao. yeah busy servers make bank thats literally the problem, they subsidize the owners while slow shifts and bad locations get screwed. thats not the market working thats just luck, and saying "id rather have money today" is cope when most servers dont actually make 25-30 an hour theyre just the ones loud enough to post about it online
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck which means its not a system thats a casino. good servers making bank at busy spots while someones doing the same job at a dead olive garden making 8 an hour isnt the market working thats just randomness. policy fixes randomness, tipping doesnt
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your own example proves you wrong lol, if good servers are making 25-30 an hour thats because theyre at busy places subsidizing their own wages with customer money instead of the owner paying them. thats not the market working thats just luck + desperation. and most servers arent at those spots, most are struggling at slow restaurants where tips suck and they make minimum anyway, youre only defending the system cause you picture the good scenario not the average one
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur literally saying "id rather get lucky at a good spot than have guaranteed money" and calling that smart, thats cope. yeah some servers kill it but most dont, and theyre subsidizing everyones meal with their labor. ur whole thing is "this works for people at the top of the pile" which isnt an argument for the system its an argument against it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tips to make it work which means the system is broken lol. if good service only pays well BECAUSE of tips then wages are the actual band aid and youre just used to it. why should a server crossing their fingers for busy shifts beat a guaranteed 25 an hour from day one, no gambling involved
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just admitting tipping is random af lol. "good servers make 25-30" yeah if theyre at a fancy place in a rich area, what about the server at applebees in nebraska making 12 an hour cause nobody tips there. youre picking the best case scenario and calling it a system when really its just luck. actual policy fixes it for literally everyone not just people lucky enough to work somewhere busy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "i got mine so who cares about the people at dead restaurants making 7 an hour" thats not the market working thats just you hoping you stay lucky. and 25-30 is only if ur in a city during rush hours, most servers arent living that dream dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "it works for lucky people in busy spots" which literally proves you need policy lmao. you're not making an argument for tipping you're just describing why individual servers get screwed. waiting for good tips is the same as hoping for a raise that never comes, its not a system its a slot machine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are literally propping up a system thats designed to let restaurants pay 2 bucks an hour lol. youre arguing the exploit works sometimes so we shouldnt fix it. thats insane. most servers dont make that, youre cherry picking the busy shifts at nice places. id rather have guaranteed 18 than gamble on rich people feeling generous
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur whole thing falls apart when the server gets stiffed, works a double, and makes 8 bucks. thats not the market rewarding skill thats gambling with peoples rent. ur defending a system where half the job is hoping customers arent cheap, thats insane lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places and broke servers at dead spots make minimum anyway so tipping just locks in inequality. and 25-30 an hour only exists if ur slammed every shift which isnt guaranteed. id rather have 20 guaranteed than pray for tips, thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving the point tho lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve at dead spots isnt "the market working" its just luck based on where you get hired. and most servers dont make 25-30 thats cope, median is way lower. wages fix that, tipping doesnt
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying tipping works IF ur lucky enough to be busy which proves its not reliable lol, thats why people work doubles and burnout. and 25-30 an hour? thats not the average its the cherry spot, most servers make trash and you know it. guaranteed wages isnt hypothetical btw plenty of countries do it fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour in *some places* while the rest get shit means the system is broken not working. and "wait for policy" is such a cope when other countries already did this, we're just choosing to stay broke. also those 25-30 an hour jobs vanish the second the economy tanks and people stop tipping, wages dont
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so youre admitting good servers make bank RIGHT NOW which means they have zero incentive to push for better policy, and everyone else gets screwed. thats not the market working thats just winners not caring about losers. pay everyone fairly and good servers still make good money, this aint hard
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur picking which servers to feel bad for lol. yeah some busy restaurant servers make bank but what about the ones at dead diners or slow lunch shifts? theyre still making shit. ur system works great if ur lucky enough to be hot and busy, garbage if ur not. thats literally the opposite of a real solution
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting tipping only works if ur in a busy spot which means most servers are fucked and the ones making bank are just lucky, thats not a system its a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt real when half your shifts you make minimum, the math doesnt check out lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have money today" which is exactly the selfish argument that keeps this broken lol. good for YOU if you work busy shifts but that doesnt mean everyone else should be gambling on tips to survive, thats why we have minimum wage laws at all
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, servers making bank at busy spots means the system DEPENDS on luck not merit. and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business slows down, youre just riding a wave and calling it a job. real wages dont evaporate when its tuesday lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on location and how hot you are. and that 25-30 an hour thing only works if its slammed every shift, most servers arent pulling that. just say you like the current system because it benefits you
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol, that some servers can make bank while others get crushed depends entirely on luck not skill, and thats a garbage system. id rather everyone guaranteed make decent money than hope you end up at the busy spot, thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "things are good enough for some people some of the time so we shouldnt change the system" thats not a win lol. yeah busy servers make bank but slow tuesday at dennys? theyre screwed. why is that acceptable just because it works out for like 20% of shifts. real wages means EVERYONE gets 25 an hour not just the lucky ones gambling on foot traffic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather get lucky and make good money than have a guaranteed system" thats not a flex thats cope. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour, thats the busy restaurant fantasy. meanwhile busboys and dishwashers get nothing cause tipping doesnt work back of house and your whole model collapses without policy anyway so just admit it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather exploit the current broken system than fix it" and calling it smart lmao. yeah some servers at applebees make bank but most dont and they're subsidizing owners wages with their hustle. you want the market to work? then let restaurants actually compete on pay instead of offloading labor costs to customers. that aint lucky that aint smart thats just the house winning while you think youre winning
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur banking everything on servers being in the right place at the right time making good money while everyone else gets screwed, thats not a system thats just survivorship bias. and 25-30/hr only happens at expensive restaurants not diners or casual spots, most servers are making shit. ur literally arguing that the current way is fine because *some* people win the lottery, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, "good servers make money at busy places" is just saying the system works great if ur lucky enough to get the right job, thats not a real solution thats just survival of the fittest. and 25-30 an hour isnt even guaranteed its just what happens when customers subsidize wages instead of employers doing it. id rather have that locked in than hope i get shifts at the hot spot
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why the system sucks lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats luck of the draw. and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is cope - places like california and seattle have proven it works fine, you just dont want to admit your setup is broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving good servers ARE getting lucky and thats the problem, not the solution. if the system only works when you happen to be hot and working nights at a busy place then its broken. paying everyone a base wage isnt hypothetical its already happening in other countries and it works fine, servers still make bank when service is good
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by admitting good servers have to pray theyre at a busy spot lol. thats not smart thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour isnt real when its only on good nights at good places, most servers are making way less. youre just picking the best case and acting like thats the norm
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats only if ur in a busy spot which proves its luck not skill lol. and ur trading job security for tips that disappear when business is slow, thats not smart thats desperation. plus ur still cool with people in dead shifts making 2.13 an hour as long as somebody downtown is getting 30, thats actually psychotic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "tipping works great if youre already in a good spot" which is literally admitting the system is broken for most people, you just dont care cause it works for the winners. thats not a defense of tipping thats just saying "i got mine" with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while others get screwed proves the system is broken not that it works. if tipping was actually solving this wed see even distribution not a lottery where location and luck matter more than actual skill. thats a band aid that leaves people behind
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so youre basically saying "the current system works great if youre lucky enough to be in a busy place with good tippers" which is literally admitting its a lottery not a system. majority of servers dont make 25-30, they make 12-16 and hope rent gets paid. ur defending a rigged game and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just describing why its broken lol. "good servers make bank IF theyre at the right place" is not a system its a lottery. and ur acting like 25-30 an hour is guaranteed when most servers make way less, youre cherry picking the best case and calling it the market working. no shot
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying the system works great as long as servers are cool with gambling on whether theyre gonna get busy today or work nights in a dive bar for tips, meanwhile corporate pockets the difference. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market being lazy and making workers absorb all the risk. pay people actual money and watch service actually improve across the board not just at the spots lucky enough to be packed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve is the whole problem. and "money today" vs waiting is a fake choice when youre asking thousands of people to gamble their rent on whether tonight is busy. thats not the market working thats just chaos with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour, thats the opposite of a fair system its just luck of the draw. and "years to pass" is cope, minimum wage exists NOW in most places, we just gotta raise it. ur defending a broken lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have money today" which just proves servers are getting screwed right now lol. if the system was actually working you wouldnt need to gamble on tips to survive, youd just get paid. the fact that 25-30 is "good" when it should be baseline shows how broken this is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally saying "tipping works great if you're lucky enough to be busy and work at a good spot" which is admitting it doesn't work as a system, it works if conditions are perfect. and those 25-30 an hour spots? theyre the exception not the rule, most servers make way less. ur selling the dream not the reality dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats not the market thats literally just you hoping individual servers get lucky enough to work somewhere busy, and if they dont theyre screwed. plus youre ignoring that good servers leaving skeleton crew places just makes them worse which hurts the next batch of servers stuck there. tipping isnt fixing anything its just letting some people escape while others get trapped, thats not a system thats just chaos with better vibes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving the point lol, good servers at busy places making bank while everyone else eats shit is exactly the problem. thats not a system working its just winners and losers. id rather have 20 bucks guaranteed than gamble on getting tipped, most people would
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting good servers are hostage to location luck which proves tipping is broken lmao. 25-30 an hour at one place, 12 at another doing the same job. thats not the market working thats randomness. real wages = everyone makes 20 whether someones busy or not, no cap
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank means BAD servers and slow nights exist too, and those people are still broke. tipping only works if ur already in a good spot, its not a system its a lottery. wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by saying good servers have to GET LUCKY and work somewhere busy lol thats not a system thats a lottery, meanwhile bad servers at dead spots starve. you want servers gambling on location instead of just getting paid. thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "it works great if youre lucky enough to be at a busy place" and acting like thats a system lol. thats not smart thats just cope. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour theyre making 12-16 and hoping for good shifts. youre picking the exception and calling it proof
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are getting that ONLY at busy spots during peak hours, everyone else is scraping by on 12 bucks with no consistency. youre literally arguing "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt have minimum wage" lol. guaranteed 18 an hour beats gambling on whether your shift sucks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre confusing "some people win the lottery" with "the system works." yeah busy servers make bank but half the industry is still broke working dead shifts. youre just saying lucky people are fine so we shouldnt fix it for everyone else. thats not an argument thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers making 25-30 are the exception not the rule, youre literally picking the best case scenario to defend a broken system. most servers make way less and have zero stability, plus they gotta smile through abuse for tips. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome with better pr
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just describing why tipping sucks lmao, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u work and how hot u are. policy fixes it so EVERYONE gets 25-30 guaranteed, not just the ones at olive garden
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if servers gotta rely on being "smart" enough to pick the right restaurant and hope theyre busy, thats not a system working its just luck dressed up fancy. and 25-30 an hour at some places while others make minimum? thats the whole problem. guaranteed wages isnt hypothetical in like half the developed world, ur just defending a broken status quo cause it works for people at applebees
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude ur literally proving you need *luck* to make good money which is exactly the problem. good server at busy place makes bank, same server at slow diner gets screwed, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its just what u *hope* for on good nights. meanwhile a baseline wage actually works for everyone not just the lucky ones ur banking on
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre proving my point harder every post lol, good servers making bank just means bad servers and quiet locations get screwed, thats not the market working thats a lottery. and "money today vs hypothetical" is a cope, we literally have countries that did this already and it works fine. ur just defending a broken system cause it benefits whoever got lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so youre literally banking on servers staying at busy places forever which doesnt happen, people burn out and leave anyway. plus ur ignoring that under your system a server at a dead taco shop still makes garbage money no matter how good they are, thats not rewarding service thats just random luck based on foot traffic. a real floor is a floor dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have money today than wait" which is just admitting the current system works for YOU and screw everyone else lol. that aint the market thats just privilege. and 25-30 an hour at busy places is fake when you average it out over slow shifts and taxes, nice try tho
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making 25-30 an hour is exactly the problem lol. its not stable, depends on luck and location, and it means bad restaurants can still exist by grinding their staff down. if wages were just built in those places either pay up or die, no band aid needed. your "money today" argument is cope when half the servers out there are making shit and crossing their fingers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but ur literally betting everything on servers being in busy spots which isnt guaranteed and ur calling that smart lol. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour, thats the top 10%. rest get crushed on slow nights and slow seasons. id rather have a floor than pray i got lucky with my restaurant, thats not a system thats a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah dude ur playing the odds game and losing. yeah some servers crush it but most dont, and theyre the ones subsidizing restaurants so owners can undercut competitors. youre basically saying "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt have jobs" lol. wages fix the baseline, tips can stay on top if service is actually good
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except ur ignoring that good servers subsidizing bad owners is literally the opposite of the market working lol. if tipping disappeared tomorrow those trash places would either pay up or close, thats actual pressure. ur just defending a system where workers gamble on tips instead of getting guaranteed money, calling it smart is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at slow spots make nothing. thats not the market working thats the market being random and unfair. why should your paycheck depend on whether your restaurant happened to be packed that night, thats not a feature its a bug
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre cherry picking the busy spots lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the exception not the rule. and "money today" only works if you work nights at a place thats packed, soon as youre at a slow diner youre fucked. policy takes time yeah but it actually covers everyone instead of just the lucky servers at the good locations, thats not hypothetical thats how every other developed country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if servers gotta pray theyre at a busy spot to make decent money thats not the market working thats just luck. and "maybe it never passes" isnt an argument against policy its just cope, we could have both good wages AND tipping but owners wont do it cause theyre cheap, dont blame workers for that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank at busy places means the system works ONLY if youre lucky enough to be there, while everyone else gets screwed. thats not a feature thats a bug. and "maybe it never passes" is cope, other countries already did it. youre just defending the status quo because it benefits you rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need tipping to survive which means the base job is broken, not that tipping works lol. and good luck getting 25-30 at a dead dennys on a tuesday, thats survivorship bias as hell. most servers get screwed most shifts and just cope with it, policy actually fixes that for everyone not just the lucky ones at busy spots
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur arguing "id rather have money today" which means u admit the current system leaves it up to chance and luck, some servers get 30/hr and some get 12. thats the opposite of reliable. id rather have 18 guaranteed than pray the restaurant is busy, thats not hypothetical thats basic math dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is BECAUSE of tipping, not because the system works. soon as they can they leave for literally anywhere else. thats not the market rewarding the restaurant, thats the restaurant getting gutted. and the whole thing crashes without tips, so yeah its a bandaid that only works if you ignore all the people not making 30 an hour. most servers are broke as hell
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just proving my point harder lol, if the ONLY way servers make decent money is by crossing their fingers and hoping theyre at a busy spot, thats not the market working thats a lottery and you know it. id take guaranteed 25 over hoping for it any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "servers should gamble on being busy and hope for good tips instead of just getting paid" thats not smart thats Stockholm syndrome my guy. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its what u tell urself when ur cherry picking the good nights, most servers are making 16-18 and dealing with drunks for it, thats dogshit compared to just getting a real paycheck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying tipping works if youre already at a good spot which proves its luck not merit. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either thats also luck based on shifts and customers. at least wage is consistent for everyone, ur choosing instability and calling it freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "good servers make bank IF theyre busy" thats literally luck not a system lol. and youre cool with bad servers getting wrecked just so YOU can make 30/hr? thats not the market working thats just asking poor people to gamble. real wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need tipping to make it work which means the system is broken lol. why should servers have to gamble on rich customers showing up to eat? just pay them 25 an hour from the start and skip the whole begging thing. ur arguing the current way is better when ur own example shows how fragile it is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather take crumbs today than wait for a real system" which is exactly why nothing ever changes lol. and those 25-30 servers are like 10% of the workforce the rest are getting destroyed. youre picking the best case scenario and pretending its normal
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving you need BOTH though, right now good servers at busy places make bank but bad ones at dead spots make nothing, thats not a system thats just luck. actual policy means everyone gets a floor and tips stay on top, you act like 15 base kills the hustle but it doesnt lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to be in a busy spot making bank" which just proves its a lottery not a system lol. and 25-30 an hour is fiction for most servers, youre cherry picking the top spots. id rather have guaranteed 18-20 than pray im hot enough to get shifts at the good restaurant, thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule thats why its a band aid. most servers are grinding at dead shifts making minimum plus scraps while you act like theyre all at busy spots. thats not the market working thats just luck and desperation. policy fixes it for everyone not just the hot restaurant crew
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying the system works as long as servers are willing to gamble on whether theyre busy that day, thats not a feature its a bug. and 25-30 an hour at a fancy place doesnt help the server at applebees making 12 because theres no tippers there, but yeah lets just tell them to get lucky instead of passing a law. cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work busy spots to make decent money means the system is broken not working. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market punishing bad luck. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business drops, no security at all thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck and skill to make decent money which means the system is broken lol. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on busy shifts to pay rent, and bad servers get crushed. just pay everyone a living wage and let tipping be extra, its not that hard
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers make money if theyre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" lol thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only happens at like applebees on saturday night not your local coffee shop. most servers make trash money most of the time thats just facts.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while everyone else gets screwed isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw. and "maybe it happens someday" is cope when other countries already did it and their servers are fine, actually better off cause theyre not depending on randos mood to eat
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places but thats not a system thats just luck. bad servers at bad places make like 8 an hour plus tips that suck, and skeleton crew places stay understaffed cause nobody wants to work there for garbage pay. "be smart and get the good job" isnt policy its just saying poor people deserve it lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make bank IF theyre busy" is not a system thats the lottery. and 25-30 an hour is fake anyway most servers dont clear that, youre cherry picking the best case. id rather have guaranteed 18 an hour than pray im not stuck at applebees on a tuesday
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally proving my point lol, you need LUCK to make 25-30 an hour at a busy place, thats not a system its a lottery. and yeah 15 an hour sucks but at least its guaranteed, not depending on whether karen tips you today. youre defending a scam and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, if good servers HAVE to rely on tipping to make real money that means the base system is broken and we're all just hoping we get lucky with volume. thats not smart thats just accepting a worse system because its faster, and it leaves everyone else in the dust while youre sitting pretty at some busy place. actual policy fixes it for literally everyone not just the servers who got the good shift rotation
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole thing is "id rather have the rigged system that works for me than fix it for everyone" which is just admitting tipping is luck based and you got lucky. thats not a defense of the system thats just cope, plus those 25-30 an hour spots dry up when recessions hit and then ur back to minimum wage with no safety net. wages are boring but they actually work
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt fix the system" lol. yeah busy servers make bank but half of them are getting stiffed and subsidizing your dinner, theyre not all making 30 an hour youre just looking at the lucky ones. thats not smart thats survivorship bias my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, if good servers only make bank at busy places thats not the market working thats luck and location, and the fact that ur fine with some people making 30 an hour and others making 8 at dead spots proves the system is broken. just pay everyone good wages and servers make 25-30 regardless, problem solved
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just "i got mine so who cares about the people at dead restaurants making 7 an hour", ur just admitting tipping is a lottery and calling it strategy lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt the average its the exception, thats survivorship bias talking
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "id rather have a broken system that works for me personally than fix it for everyone" lol thats not an argument thats just admitting you benefit from the status quo. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either its just as much a gamble as waiting for policy except one of them screws over the people at dead restaurants
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol. good servers make bank at busy places, bad servers starve, and owners dont care cause theyre still profitable either way. thats not the market working thats just wage theft with extra steps. if ur job requires charity from customers to pay rent its broken, full stop
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "i make good money NOW so who cares if the system is broken for everyone else" thats peak selfish lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its dependent on luck location and how hot you are, meanwhile a real wage guarantees it. youre arguing for lottery tickets instead of just paying people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers only make bank at busy places thats not the market rewarding skill its the market being random. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed its what you *hope* for, meanwhile a $20 wage guarantee beats hoping every shift, cmon
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving you need to be *lucky* to make 25-30 an hour instead of *guaranteed* to make it. thats not winning, thats russian roulette. and most servers dont make that anyway, youre cherry picking the busy restaurants. a policy floor protects everyone, your system leaves half the industry behind making garbage
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have the system that depends on luck and charity than guaranteed money" which is insane lol. good servers at busy places making bank doesnt mean the system works its just means some people got lucky. everyone else eats shit while you wait for your tips. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy tho lol. "good servers make bank IF theyre at a busy place" isnt a system its a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at applebees doesnt mean jack if youre only getting 15 hours a week. guaranteed wage + benefits beats hoping ur shift is packed, thats just math
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying good servers gotta get lucky with busy shifts to make rent lol. if the system works so good why does it require servers to gamble on customer mood every night instead of just... having a paycheck. ur defending a casino not a job
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro thats literally the definition of a bandaid lmao, "money today if ur lucky" isnt a system its gambling. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half your shifts are dead, youre just cherry picking the good nights. minimum wage jobs shouldnt require crossing your fingers that strangers feel generous, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah thats exactly the problem lol, youre saying good servers make bank TODAY but half of them are getting stiffed and stressed about rent tomorrow, tipping isnt smart its just gambling on whether your customers feel like paying you. id rather have 25 guaranteed than pray for it every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tipping to make rent which means the base system is broken lol, no server should have to gamble on rich customers to survive. and that 25-30 an hour thing? thats cherry picking busy shifts, most servers are pulling way less and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
so ur saying the system works great as long as servers pray theyre born into a busy restaurant and hope theyre conventionally attractive enough, meanwhile half the industry is working understaffed shifts making 8 bucks an hour. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias lol, youre looking at the winners and ignoring everyone else getting destroyed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur entire argument is "tipping works great if youre in the lucky spot at a busy place and ur willing to gamble on it" thats not a system thats survival mode. and "policy takes forever" isnt a counter argument its just cope, we got min wage in like a decade once we decided it mattered. ur defending a broken thing cause it works for some people sometimes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point again lol, the fact that servers need TIPS to make 25-30 an hour instead of their employer just paying it means the system is broken, not working. and "money today" doesnt mean shit if ur relying on random customers instead of a guarantee, thats not being smart thats just accepting scraps and pretending its a choice
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point harder lol, if good servers can only make 25-30 an hour at busy places that means most servers are getting screwed at slow spots, tipping isnt fixing anything its just randomizing who eats and who doesnt. and "wait for policy" is a cope, other countries did it already, ur just scared wages go up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at slow spots make 6 bucks an hour is the PROBLEM not the solution. why should your paycheck depend on where you got lucky enough to work. thats not smart thats just accepting a broken system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if a good server needs TIPS to make 25-30 an hour that means the BASE wage is trash and they're only surviving because customers subsidize their paycheck. thats not the market working thats the system being broken. id rather have 25 guaranteed than cross my fingers for tips every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck to make money which means its not a real system its just gambling. yeah some servers at busy places do fine but plenty get screwed and thats the whole problem, youre just saying "well if youre lucky itll work out" which is cope lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point again lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour ONLY works at busy spots, so youre cool with servers at dead restaurants just eating shit for minimum wage? thats not the market working thats luck and desperation. thats why we need the baseline wage, so literally nobody gets screwed. tipping on top? fine. but not the only thing between rent and homelessness.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends on them being at busy places which is luck not skill, and what about the ones stuck at dead locations? theyre fucked either way. wages fix it for everyone, your system just shuffles who gets screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make minimum tips on minimum wage, so tipping just makes it a lottery instead of a real job. why are you cool with some people eating and others starving based on which restaurant they pick lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "id rather get lucky today than fix the system" which is a personal choice not an argument lol. most servers dont make 25-30, thats the top 10% at busy spots, the rest get screwed. and why are you defending a system where your paycheck depends on strangers mood instead of your boss just paying you. thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work busy spots to make decent money means the system is broken not working. if wages were real they'd make that everywhere not just lucky locations, plus what about the servers at dead diners getting stiffed constantly, ur cool leaving them to starve while u talk about ur 30/hr friends
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to be a server at a busy spot" which literally proves my point that its not a system its just gambling. and saying a bad policy might never pass so we shouldnt try is the weakest copout ive ever seen, thats how nothing ever changes dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is cool but what about the 70% working slow diners where theyre still scraping by? tipping only works if youre lucky enough to be busy, thats not a system thats a lottery. real wages fix it for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving you need luck not skill thats not a system thats gambling. and "money today" only works if ur already at a busy spot, new servers and slow shifts get nothing. plus ur acting like $15 min wage is whats being proposed when places are already doing $18-20 as baseline somewhere else, you just dont wanna admit raising it costs less than you think
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. good for you if you work somewhere busy but that doesnt mean the system works for the thousands of servers getting stiffed at dead restaurants. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception, most servers make like 12-14 with tips included. youre picking the best case scenario and calling it reality
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots are eating shit for minimum effort, tipping only works if ur lucky enough to land somewhere packed. thats not a system working thats just gambling with peoples rent. wages fixes it for everyone not just the lottery winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur literally admitting the system depends on servers gambling on location and luck instead of guaranteed income thats the whole problem lol. and 25-30 an hour? thats the exception not the rule, most servers dont work fine dining. ur arguing the system works bc a few people win the lottery, thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just admitting you're cool with some people eating shit wages cause theyre unlucky with their shift or location lol. good servers shouldnt have to pray for a busy friday to pay rent thats not the flex you think it is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving you like the current system cause it works FOR YOU not because its good. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank but most dont, thats the whole point. youre asking people to gamble on getting a good shift instead of just paying them. thats not smart thats just lucky and ur confusing the two
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why its broken lmao, "good servers at busy places make bank while everyone else gets screwed" isnt a feature its a bug. and ur whole "money today vs hypothetical" thing ignores that most servers arent at those spots, theyre grinding 12 hour shifts at applebees making 8 an hour in tips hoping for a rush. thats not the market working thats just variance deciding who eats
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve is the whole problem lol. why should where you work determine if you eat or not. thats not the market working thats just luck and desperation, and yea id rather fix it with policy than watch people gamble on tips
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving it works for like 5 percent of servers at good spots and then acting like thats a system lol. most servers make trash money at normal places, you're just picking the winners and ignoring everyone else. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while everyone else gets screwed is EXACTLY the problem. why should it depend on where you work or how busy it is? thats not rewarding good service thats just luck. actual policy fixes that, ur just defending a broken system cause it works for some people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. servers making good money depends on LUCK not merit, its about which restaurant gets the crowd not how good they are at their job. thats not the market working thats a casino. id take guaranteed 25 an hour over hoping the lunch rush shows up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve at dead spots isnt the market working thats the market being brutal and random. and youre betting your whole life on being in the right place at the right time instead of just... having a job that pays. thats not smart thats desperation dressed up as hustle culture
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at slow places make shit, tipping just makes it random based on where you work not how hard you work. real wages = everyone gets paid either way, thats not hypothetical its how literally every other developed country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally banking on hoping individual restaurants stay busy forever lol, thats not a system thats gambling with peoples rent money. and 25-30 an hour doesnt mean shit if its not guaranteed, some nights ur making 8. id take 20 guaranteed over the tipping lottery any day, thats just being realistic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving tipping is luck based lol. "good servers at busy places make bank" yeah and bad luck servers at slow spots make nothing. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market being random. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second the restaurant has a slow week, wages dont. your money today argument is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur basically saying "tipping works great if youre already at a busy place" which proves its not a system its just luck, and meanwhile servers at slow spots are eating shit for min wage. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias, youre only seeing the winners and ignoring everyone else getting crushed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank only works if SOME places are slammed and others are dead, thats not a system working thats luck. and that 25-30 only happens in expensive cities, nobody in iowa is hitting that on tips. policy fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones at the hot spots
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt have a salary" lol. yeah busy servers make bank but half of them dont and theyre stuck with 8 bucks an hour when its slow. thats not the market working thats just gambling with peoples rent. a floor wage kills that problem permanently instead of hoping youre hot and popular enough to make real money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point harder lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots starve is literally the market failing. if wages were built in EVERYONE gets 25-30 base plus tips on top, not gambling whether your shift is busy. ur trading stability for the *chance* at money and calling it smart when its just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, tipping only works if youre in a busy spot which means its not the market rewarding good service its just random luck based on location. and 25-30 an hour at a nice place while someone at a slow diner makes 8 is the whole problem, thats not a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur cool with servers gambling on whether theyre gonna be busy that night instead of having guaranteed money, thats insane dude. "be smart" lmao no thats just cope for accepting a broken system. and those $25-30 shifts? thats not normal, most servers are making $18-20 with dead shifts dragging the average down, youre cherry picking the best case scenario while normal people struggle. real policy > hoping for good tips
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre describing tipping as good because it works IF you get lucky with location and IF the place is busy and IF customers feel like tipping that day, thats not a system thats gambling. and half your servers aint making 25-30 they're making 12 because theyre at slow diners, you just dont see them cause theyre invisible to your argument lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just proving people shouldnt have to gamble on luck and kindness of strangers to eat. "id rather have money today" cool so pay them TODAY as their actual wage instead of hoping customers subsidize their boss's payroll. thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur conflating individual wins with system design lmao. yeah some servers milk it at busy spots but thats literally survivorship bias, most servers make garbage and the whole thing depends on customers subsidizing wages which is insane. policy takes time but it actually fixes it for everyone instead of gambling on foot traffic. ur arguing "some people win the lottery so we should abolish salaries" basically
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats exactly the problem lol, good servers making bank while everyone else gets screwed isnt the system working thats just lottery winners telling everyone else to pull themselves up. and those 25-30 an hour jobs dry up the second business slows down, youre betting your rent on someone elses generosity thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is the PROBLEM not the solution, its completely random based on where u work and how busy it is. some server at a dead spot makes 12 an hour doing the same job. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just luck, and relying on luck to not be poor is dogshit policy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except youre banking on luck and im banking on everyone eating reliably lol. most servers dont make 25-30, thats the busy spot cope. slow tuesday at a random place? youre making 8 bucks an hour plus tips that dont show up. id take guaranteed 18 and call it a win, not gambling with my rent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur just proving you need tipping to survive which is exactly the problem lol. other countries dont have this and their servers are fine, your "25-30 an hour" only happens if youre hot and work somewhere packed, most people get way less and stress about rent constantly. thats not a system thats just luck with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working its just randomness based on where u got hired. and waiting for policy is bad but so is telling people "hope ur busy and hope ur cute" as a retirement plan, thats not smart thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point again lol, if good servers can ONLY make decent money at busy places thats not the market rewarding skill its the market failing most servers. and 25-30 an hour at one spot while someone at a dead location starves isnt a feature its a bug. pay everyone fairly and good service still exists cause jobs still compete for workers, wild concept i know
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places but everyone else eats shit. thats not the market working thats the market being broken and you calling it efficient. id rather have 18 bucks guaranteed than pray im hot enough to pull 30, thats just reality
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work somewhere busy and cross their fingers just to survive means the system is broken. if tipping actually worked youd see it spreading to other industries but it doesnt cause its trash, we just normalized it for restaurants. wages first, tips second, not the other way around
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need luck lol. "good servers at busy places make bank" isnt a system its a lottery. and 25-30 an hour only happens if youre cute or work somewhere packed, most servers are getting like 18-20 and eating shit from people all day. id take guaranteed 20 and no tipping over gambling whether tonights crowd tips me or not, but go off about ur hypothetical good outcomes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur literally proving my point for me lol. "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" is not a system its a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at like 3 places in your city while everyone else gets 8 bucks and prayers isnt the market working its just cherry picking the winners and pretending thats how it goes for everyone. thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart" = accept a system where ur paycheck depends on strangers mood instead of ur boss doing his job. thats not winning its just stockholm syndrome. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre the exception not the rule, most servers make like 18-20 with tips and thats still garbage when rent is 2k a month. ur literally arguing poor people should gamble for survival instead of getting paid like its 2024
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts and hoping customers feel generous instead of just... getting paid. thats not smart thats Stockholm syndrome lol. ill take guaranteed 20 an hour over crossing my fingers that Karen tips well, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts and hope customers are generous instead of just getting paid a salary, thats insane lol. and 25-30 an hour? thats not the average thats cherry picked busy restaurants, most servers make way less and have zero stability. id take 18-20 guaranteed over crossing my fingers every shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places which means the system works great if ur lucky enough to get hired there, and grinds if ur not. thats not a feature thats a bug. real wages means everyone gets paid fairly regardless of where they work or if the place is slammed, not just the lottery winners. your solution needs luck mine doesnt
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is BECAUSE of tipping not instead of it, and the second tipping dies those same people get 25-30 built in instead of gambling on busy shifts. ur defending a system where half the staff eats shit so a few can win the lottery, thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing job market chaos and calling it freedom lol. some servers make bank some starve depending on where theyre born and how busy their shift is, thats not a system its a lottery. and "money today vs hypothetical wages" is a false choice when literally every other developed country pays real wages AND has good service. ur just defending what exists because youre used to it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "id rather have cash now than wait" which is just admitting the system is broken and we're all hostages to it. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on busy shifts to eat, thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome with a tip jar. actual policy fixes the game for everyone not just the lucky ones getting slammed Friday night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why the system is broken lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working its just luck based on where you land. and ur whole "money today vs hypothetical" thing ignores that other countries already did this without collapsing, its not hypothetical its just us being stubborn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve is the problem not the solution. why should someones paycheck depend on where they randomly got hired instead of what theyre actually doing. thats not a market its a lottery and ur just cool with it cause u know ur gonna win
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah dude ur confusing "some people win the lottery" with "the system works." yeah busy servers at good spots make bank, thats literally the exception not the rule lol. most servers are struggling and tipping culture keeps owners from having to actually pay anybody. ur asking people to gamble on luck instead of just paying them
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting good servers need to gamble on busy shifts to make decent money instead of just... getting paid. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome lmao. and those 25-30 an hour servers are subsidizing trash locations that cant afford to staff properly, ur just shifting the problem around not solving it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy spots and starve at dead ones, thats not the market working thats the market being broken. and relying on "maybe youll get lucky with a good shift" isnt a system its gambling. wages fix that, tipping just shuffles who gets screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers at olive garden make bank but thats literally the luck thing i said, and the other half are working doubles at applebees for 8 bucks an hour hoping someone tips. you cant build a system on hope that rich people feel generous, thats just cope for why wages stay dogshit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying the system works if you get lucky enough to work at a busy spot, thats not an argument for tipping thats an argument that tipping is broken lol. and good servers jumping ship isnt the market fixing anything its people escaping a bad system. we can have $20+ wages AND good service without gambling on whether your restaurant gets slammed that night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at busy places and get screwed at slow ones, thats the luck part genius. and "money today" is cope when half the industry is broke af cause they work dead shifts. real wages fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones, stop defending a rigged system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur solution is "work somewhere busy or stay poor" and call that freedom, thats just gambling with rent dude. and those 25-30 an hour servers? half of em are doing that in cities where rent is 2k a month, theyre not actually ahead. wages mean everyone gets that baseline instead of hoping the restaurant is packed on tuesday, ur just defending a system that works for like 20 percent of people and calling it the market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need luck to make good money which is insane lol. "be smart and work somewhere busy" isnt a system its just gambling. and 25-30 an hour only happens if customers decide to pay extra, which they dont always do, so ur whole thing depends on randos subsidizing wages instead of the business owner. thats not the market thats just hoping ppl are nice
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just describing the problem and calling it a solution lol. "some people get lucky and make good money" isnt a system, its a lottery. and ur whole argument rides on tipping staying around forever which it wont if places keep cutting staff. good servers leave, places get worse, tipping pools dry up, everyone loses except owners. at least wages are predictable
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, the fact that servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour means the base system is broken. thats not the market working thats servers getting screwed and hoping for charity. other countries pay 20+ an hour NO tips and servers still show up, still give a shit. youre defending a rigged game cause youve convinced yourself the rigged game works lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots are eating shit for minimum wage, so tipping only works if ur lucky enough to work the right place. thats not a system thats a lottery. policy actually fixes it for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving why its broken lol. "good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places" isnt a system thats a lottery. meanwhile dishwashers and hosts get screwed cause nobody tips them. you want some people making 30/hr and others making 5 cause the luck gods decided? i want everyone paid. cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make 25-30 an hour if theyre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" isnt a system its a lottery. and the ones at dead locations or slow shifts? theyre making 8 bucks, no security, no benefits. id take guaranteed 18 over hoping the table tips well ngl
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur confusing "some people got lucky" with "the system works" lol. yeah busy restaurants exist but half the servers out there are grinding for tips at slow shifts making like 8 bucks an hour, ur just ignoring them cause theyre not your anecdote. wages fix that, tips dont.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but ur whole thing falls apart if u need to be in a busy spot to eat, thats not smart thats just privilege. most servers arnt at fancy restaurants dude theyre at diners and chains making 8 bucks an hour in tips on slow shifts, u cherry picked the 25-30 number lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude you literally just said "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" which is luck not skill, thats the whole problem. plus youre ignoring that most servers dont make 25-30, thats cherry picked af. and a policy that guarantees 15 an hour beats a lottery ticket every time, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur argument is "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to work at a busy place" and then "we shouldnt change it" thats insane. yeah some servers make bank right now but plenty are getting crushed and ur just cool with that as long as some win the lottery. id rather everyone make 25-30 guaranteed than have half the industry stress constantly
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve proves the system is broken not working lol. why should your paycheck depend on how many people walk thru the door that day, thats not a market thats a casino. and those 25-30 an hour people? theyre carrying water for restaurant owners who should be paying it anyway, youre defending wage theft with a tip jar
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather get paid by customers gambling on my mood than have guaranteed money" thats not being smart thats stockholm syndrome lol. and 25-30 isnt even real for most servers, thats the cherry picked busy shift number. median server makes like 18-20 with tips and eats shit when its slow. wages guarantee you dont starve on tuesdays
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lmao, good servers making bank depends entirely on them being hot and busy which means its not a system its a lottery. skeleton crew places still exist and their workers get screwed, tipping doesn't fix that it just ignores it. pay everyone fairly and good service stays good, bad service has actual consequences instead of just "oh well theyre poor"
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is BECAUSE theyre at busy places where they get tipped, not because tipping itself works. put those same good servers at a dead zone and suddenly theyre making 5 bucks an hour. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just luck of location. real wages means good service gets paid good money everywhere, not just olive garden on friday night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and shit servers make nothing at bad places, thats a two tier system not meritocracy. most people arnt working upscale restaurants theyre at applebees getting 12 an hour plus whatever change people throw at them. ur whole argument is based on the tiny percent of servers doing well, thats selection bias as hell
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur whole thing is "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to work at a busy place" which is literally admitting the system is broken. thats not a feature dude thats the bug. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either its just what u see at nice spots, half of servers make like 12 an hour in slow shifts. ur picking the best case scenario and pretending thats the baseline
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but thats just saying "id rather exploit the current broken system than fix it" lmao. youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on busy shifts instead of getting guaranteed money, and calling that smart. the market isnt working if people need luck to survive a shift, thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving the point lol, if servers HAVE to rely on being at a busy place to make decent money thats the market failing them not working, a good server at a dead spot makes poverty wages and thats broken. real wages mean a server makes bank whether theyre slammed or not, thats actually freedom not just getting lucky. ur defense is "at least some people win" which is cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank, but most dont and they're gambling on shifts. paying everyone a real wage isnt hypothetical its literally how every other developed country does it and it works fine. youre defending a broken system cause you personally know someone winning the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank means BAD servers are getting paid shit and no one fixes that. tipping doesn't reward good service it rewards being hot or working at a place with traffic thats already busy. thats luck not merit. real wages means everyone gets paid either way
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just admitting tipping depends on luck and individual hustle instead of a system, thats not winning ur argument thats proving mine. "make money today" yeah if ur hot or work somewhere packed, everyone else eats shit and hopes. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but that 25-30 only happens if youre hot or work peak hours at a place packed with tourists, most servers are making like 18-20 and eating shit shifts. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like thats normal lol, a guaranteed wage floor doesnt depend on how cute you are or what day it is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "some people get lucky and make good money now so we shouldn't fix the broken system" thats literally just survivorship bias. yeah a server at a packed restaurant makes bank, congrats, what about the ones at slow spots getting crushed. tipping only works if you're in the right place at the right time, thats not a feature its a bug. wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. if good servers can ONLY make real money through tips at busy places thats not the market working thats servers getting lucky. and the fact that you think waiting on policy is worse than relying on random customers to feel generous is insane, most people tip bad anyway
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are stuck making shit money at slow spots and tipping isnt fixing that it just means some get lucky and most dont. thats not a system thats a lottery. real wages fixes it for everyone, not just the ones working at the busy place on a friday night lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by admitting tipping only works if youre "smart" enough to pick the right spot lol, most servers dont get to choose and just get whatever table shows up. you want people gambling on tips instead of knowing theyre getting paid, thats not a system its a casino
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank is great for THEM but it doesnt help the 70% stuck at dead locations getting stiffed. tipping isnt a system its a lottery and you're just defending the lottery cause you won it. thats not an argument thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre cherry picking the busy shifts lol, most servers arent making 25-30 consistently and u know it. plus ur trapped asking for tips every table instead of just having a real paycheck, thats not freedom thats desperation dressed up as hustle culture. wages fix it permanently instead of gambling on whether tonight is busy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so your whole thing is "tipping works if youre lucky enough to land a good shift at a busy place" and youre calling that smart not lucky? thats not an argument for the system its literally proof it sucks. most servers arent pulling 30 an hour and you know it, youre just mad because losing tipping means owners actually have to pay instead of hiding behind "but servers make bank on tips" which is only true sometimes. its a cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make 6 an hour depends entirely on where you work not how good you are, thats luck not merit. real wages means a server at applebees gets the same floor as one at a packed downtown spot, tipping just shuffles money around and leaves everyone else fucked
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the people working slow diners" which is peak cope. good servers already leave those spots, the ones stuck there are the ones making 8 bucks an hour in tips during the lunch rush. youre calling that working lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to rely on busy locations and customer generosity to make decent money instead of just getting paid by their employer is the whole problem. and 25-30 an hour only happens at specific places, most servers are making way less and filling the gap with tips. thats not the market working thats a broken system where workers pray they get lucky shifts instead of getting guaranteed pay. its not hypothetical ei
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why the system is broken lol. good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats just luck based on where u got hired. and "money today vs maybe later" is a cope when other countries already did it and their servers make way more guaranteed. ur defending randomness and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so your argument is "tipping works for some people in some places sometimes" and mine is "we should have a system where everyone makes decent money guaranteed" and you think thats the same thing lol. youre literally admitting the whole thing is random, thats my point not yours
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol dude ur literally saying "tipping works great IF youre at a busy place" which is admitting it doesnt work for most people, thats the whole problem. and $25-30 an hour isnt the norm its what u see in like 5 cities, everywhere else servers are broke and relying on luck. real wages means everyone gets it not just the lucky ones at the right restaurant
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving tipping is broken lol. if a server needs to gamble on getting busy shifts to make rent thats not a market working thats russian roulette. and "money today" while restaurants lobby against wage laws IS the problem, tipping keeps owners happy and servers desperate so nothing changes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but youre cherry picking the busy places lol. most servers aint making 25-30, thats like top 10% in major cities. median server is grinding for like 16-18 with zero benefits while restaurants pocket the difference. and "waiting for policy" is such a cop out when other countries figured this out already. ur just defending a broken system cause it works for the people at the top of it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point and dont even see it lol, if good servers need tipping to make 25-30 an hour thats because the BASE wage is dogshit, youre defending a system that only works if customers subsidize your paycheck. id rather get paid normal like every other job instead of hoping im busy and my customers are generous, thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour getting stiffed constantly, thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market being random as hell. ur whole argument relies on hoping ur lucky enough to work somewhere packed, thats not a system thats a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers need TIPS to make livable money then the BASE wage is broken, thats a system failure not a feature. youre saying "id rather get lucky and work somewhere busy" when we could just pay people a normal wage from day one. thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make 8 bucks an hour is THE problem. youre saying its fine that it depends on luck instead of just paying everyone fairly. thats not the market working thats just chaos with winners and losers and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places means they're subsidized by customers not the business, and the second the place gets slow or theyre having an off day theyre screwed. thats not a system thats gambling. meanwhile 15/hr floor + tips means everyone eats regardless. your "money today" is just hoping you stay lucky forever lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is just the survivors bias version of "tipping works" - what about the 5 servers at dead locations making minimum? theyre subsidizing the system so fancy restaurants can keep labor cheap. thats not the market rewarding good work thats the market punishing unlucky people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those 25-30 an hour servers are one bad week or one slow restaurant away from broke, meanwhile someone making guaranteed 20 an hour sleeps at night. your system only works if ur at the right place at the right time, thats literally the definition of luck lol. i'd take stability over a gamble every time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, the FACT that good servers only make bank at busy places means the system is broken for everyone else. why should a server at a dead spot work twice as hard for half the money just cause the owner didnt pick a good location. thats not rewarding good service thats just rewarding luck and it sucks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of people and screws the rest, thats not a feature thats a bug. and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is a cope when places like california and new york already did it lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so youre literally banking on servers at busy spots staying quiet while slow spots stay broke, thats not a system thats just hoping people dont realize theyre getting screwed. and "money today" doesnt mean shit if you have zero job security or benefits lol, youre trading stability for tips and acting like thats winning
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally the luck argument you just said wasnt luck lol. good server at a busy place makes bank, same server at a dead spot makes 12 bucks. if ur income depends on which restaurant wins the location lottery thats literally luck not skill, youre just coping cause the current system benefits you
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "id rather have the crumbs now than wait for the whole sandwich" which is insane lol. yeah some servers at busy places make bank but most dont, theyre just hoping their shift isnt dead. youre taking the exception and pretending its the rule so you dont have to actually fix it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just admitting good servers get paid off the backs of the system while everyone else gets crushed, thats not smart thats just survivorship bias. and "money today" only works if ur in a busy spot, the rest work the same job for poverty wages. policy fixes that for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting the system only works if youre already at a busy place lol, thats not smart thats survivorship bias. most servers arent making 25-30 an hour theyre making 12 because they got unlucky with their spot, and now theyre subsidizing the cheap places. guaranteed wage fixes that for everyone instead of gambling on tips, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so your whole thing is "it works for people lucky enough to be at busy places" which literally proves its broken. why should a good server at a dead spot make 10 bucks an hour while the one across the street makes 30 for doing the same job. thats not rewarding good service thats just rewarding location. real wages would actually be fair instead of this lottery bullshit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of people and leaves everyone else holding the bag. thats not the market working thats just luck. and "maybe it never happens" is cope, minimum wage literally exists in like 50 countries lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers need TIPS to make decent money means theyre not actually being paid fairly by their employer, youre celebrating a system where workers depend on customer charity instead of a paycheck. and most servers dont make 25-30, thats the busy spots, the rest are getting scraps. thats not the market working thats workers getting exploited and you calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur whole thing is "good servers make bank" which means bad servers at busy places also make bank and shit servers at dead spots make nothing, so tipping literally rewards the location lottery not actual service quality lol. if it was about rewarding good work youd see it across the board, not just "be hot and work fridays"
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre proving my point again lol. good servers making 25-30 isnt the system working thats lottery tickets. what about the server at a dead location or slow shift making 7 an hour? and dont even start with "just get a better job" thats the whole problem. policy fixes it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol your whole thing is "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt have minimum wage" thats insane. yeah busy servers make bank but half of em are getting stiffed on slow nights and most restaurants are understaffed because owners know tips subsidize the payroll. youre defending a system where your paycheck depends on how hot you are or what mood random people are in, thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome with better margins for your boss
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have a guarantee" which is fine for you but that doesnt work for the server at some dead taco place making 8 an hour in tips, you're arguing for a system that works great if ur lucky and sucks for everyone else, thats not a win
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. yeah some servers at olive garden make bank but thats because theyre subsidizing their own wage through customers guilt taxing, and the ones at slow diners get screwed. youre defending a lottery not a job, thats the whole point
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots while bad ones get screwed isnt the market working thats just luck. and ur saying wait for policy but policy already happened in like 8 states, wages went up, sky didnt fall. youre choosing the risky bet over the sure thing cuz you benefit from chaos
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at busy places and starve at slow ones, thats the luck part. if wages were baked in they'd make 25-30 everywhere not just when theyre blessed with a packed shift, but sure lets keep the casino going instead of paying people fairly lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao, "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" means the SYSTEM is broken, not working. a server at a dead olive garden doesnt make 25 an hour they make 7.25 plus maybe 50 bucks in tips. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just luck, and relying on luck instead of a wage is exactly why this sucks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats only if ur at a busy spot in a good area, half the servers out there are making 12 an hour with tips included and ur acting like thats some grand victory lol. oh and ur whole thing breaks down the second the economy gets soft and people stop tipping, then those "25 an hour" people are eating shit with zero safety net. guaranteed wage doesnt disappear when recessions happen my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers need TIPS to make livable money thats the system being broken not working. youre sitting here defending a setup where someones paycheck depends on hoping rich people feel generous instead of just getting paid. thats insane and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got lucky so the system works" lol. yeah some servers at busy spots make bank but half of them are broke as hell depending on the day and restaurant, thats not a feature thats variance. you want people gambling for rent money instead of just paying them a living wage, thats psycho
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just "i got mine so who cares" lmao. yeah some servers at applebees make bank on weekends but youre ignoring the lunch shift people and slow diners getting paid 2.13 an hour baseline, tipping doesnt help them it just means theyre gambling on whether theyre busy. thats not a system thats just luck dressed up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers HAVE to rely on luck and busy shifts to make decent money IS the problem. if a system only works when conditions are perfect then its not a system its gambling. and the 25-30 an hour thing only happens at like nicer spots, the rest get fucked. why should anyone's rent depend on how busy tuesday was
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except those 25-30 an hour servers are the ones at busy spots, everyone else is making garbage and hoping. youre just describing why we need a FLOOR not a ceiling lmao, good servers should still make bank but bad restaurants shouldnt get to pay 2 bucks an hour and call it fine. thats not the market working thats just saying some people got unlucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats assuming those servers stay at busy places lol, most people cant pick their job they take whats available and then get stuck making 8 an hour at a dead restaurant hoping for tips that dont come. youre describing the lottery not the market, the market is supposed to work for everyone not just people lucky enough to land good shifts
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving the point lol, if good servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour thats because the base wage is trash, not because tipping is some genius system. other countries pay 20+ base and dont need tips, servers arent starving. ur just defending the status quo cause it works for the ones winning the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tipping because wages are too low to work on, thats not a win for your system thats an indictment. and "good servers make 25-30" is cap half the time, youre cherry picking busy shifts at nice places. most servers are grinding for 12 an hour tips at applebees dealing with nightmare customers for pennies cause theres no floor, id take guaranteed money over gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, servers making bank depends on ONE thing - being busy. thats luck not skill. and the ones at dead locations? they get scraps. real wages fix that, tipping just means your paycheck is a lottery ticket. cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving it works for like 20% of servers at busy spots and fucks over everyone else, thats not a system thats just gambling. and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business gets slow or you work lunch shift. id take guaranteed 20 over hoping for 30 every single day lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need the LUCK of a busy shift to make decent money, thats not a system thats a casino. plenty of servers work trash hours and make minimum wage plus dogshit tips, you're just picking the success story. and "it takes time" is such a cop out when people are struggling NOW. paid wages ARE happening other countries already lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur saying the system works great... for people working at olive garden on a friday night, and completely fucks over everyone else including the ones at slow diners who subsidize their own pay. thats not the market thats just luck, and asking people to gamble on their rent is insane. wages first, tips after if you actually wanna reward good shit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and that 25-30 only happens if youre at a packed spot during rush hours, the rest of the time youre making shit and hoping. thats literally what luck is lol. plus youre banking on customers feeling guilty enough to subsidize your check, thats not a real system thats just crossed fingers and hoping people arent cheap
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally admitting tipping depends on being in the right spot at the right time which means its luck not merit. and $25-30 an hour at busy places still means $12 at dead spots, ur just okay with that being random instead of guaranteed. i'd rather every server get $20 steady than hope they get lucky, thats not hypothetical thats how every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh ur literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have a guarantee" which is wild because most servers DONT make 25-30 an hour, ur cherry picking the good spots. and yeah my policy takes time but ur band aid only works if the place is packed and ur hot, thats not a system thats gambling. why are we cool with people gambling on rent money lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need luck tho lol. good servers at busy places yeah they do fine, bad luck and youre stuck at a dead shift making nothing. thats not a system thats a casino. meanwhile your coworker at the fancy spot down the street is making double for doing the same job. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market being broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving my point that it only works if your lucky enough to be at a busy place, most servers arent making 25-30 an hour thats like top 10% of locations. your "smart" move is gambling that you land at a good spot and hoping rent doesnt go up while you wait tables at 40
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have money today than wait" which is exactly why tipping SUCKS as a system lol, some servers get 30/hr and some get 12 depending on where they work and how hot they are, thats not smart thats just luck and now youre defending inequality because it benefits YOU
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying tipping works great for servers at busy places and sucks for everyone else thats not a system thats a lottery lol. and 25-30 an hour only happens at high end spots not applebees or whatever, youre cherry picking. most servers make like 18-20 with tips included and deal with way worse abuse than if they just had a normal job. thats not smart thats just accepting crumbs
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and broke ones suffer at trash spots, tipping just lets owners avoid paying anyone fairly and some people get lucky. thats not a system thats a lottery. real wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally admitting the whole system depends on servers being in the right place at the right time, which is luck not skill. a good server at a dead location makes minimum wage and starves, a mediocre one at a busy spot prints money. thats not rewarding good service thats just randomness. policy fixes that, your system is just gambling with peoples rent money lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "being smart" is just code for getting lucky at a busy place, if ur at a slow diner ur making 10 an hour in tips plus slavery wages, thats not smart thats just hoping the universe picks u. guaranteed 25 an hour beats hoping, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally banking on good luck and hoping ur at a busy place, thats not a system thats a lottery. and the 25-30 an hour thing only works if customers keep tipping which theyre already complaining about doing lol, ur whole thing collapses the second people stop subsidizing it which is happening rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting good servers can only make that money at busy places which means theyre trapped in a lottery system instead of guaranteed income, thats not smart thats stockholm syndrome. and ur "money today" argument ignores all the servers at dead spots making 8 bucks an hour while they wait for customers that never come, they dont exist in ur fantasy where tipping magically works lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving you need luck and a good location to not get screwed, thats not a system thats gambling. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre covering for the fact that chain restaurants are literally paying 2.13 an hour federally, thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps. policy isnt hypothetical, its already working in places that abolished tipping lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart" = gamble on whether youre gonna be busy that night, thats not smart thats cope. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its what like 10% of servers at nice places make, everyone else is scraping by on 12-15 plus whatever tourists feel like throwing. youre picking the best case scenario and acting like thats the whole system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is ONLY because customers are subsidizing them not because the job is worth it. the second a place gets slow those servers eat shit and make minimum wage. thats not smart thats just depending on luck and customer guilt. id rather have a guaranteed 20 built in than hope some drunk dude tips me 30 percent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make 8 bucks an hour is the problem not the solution. why should your paycheck depend on where u work and how busy it is, that aint a system thats just chaos. real wages fix that tomorrow, ur band aid only works if ur lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point harder than i am lol. good servers making 25-30 right now just means theyre subsidizing bad owners who wont pay them, and if tipping is so great why do servers constantly complain about it being unreliable garbage. cherry picking the busy shift doesnt mean the system works for everyone, it means some people got lucky. actual wages means you dont have to pray for good tables to pay rent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving my point lol, good servers make bank at nice places and shit servers starve at bad ones, thats not the market working thats just inequality with extra steps. and "25-30 an hour" only happens at like olive garden during rush, most servers are eating ramen. you're cherry picking the best case scenario and calling it normal when the median server is making like 12 bucks an hour plus tips that never come
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if the ONLY way servers make decent money is by gambling on being at a busy spot with generous people thats not a system thats a lottery. and "money today" vs waiting is a fake choice cause we can do both, pay real wages AND servers still get tipped, but at least theyre not eating shit when they draw a slow shift. your argument is just "accept the gamble" dressed up fancy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ok so ur admitting good servers only make bank at busy places which means its still luck not skill, and meanwhile the other 70% of servers are getting stiffed. youre cool with that as long as YOU get yours. and 25-30 an hour isnt even real when its inconsistent af
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if servers NEED tipping to make 25-30 an hour that means the base wage is garbage and the whole system depends on customers subsidizing payroll. thats not the market working thats a broken system where workers hope for charity. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on whether my table tips well lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends on them working somewhere busy and tipping culture existing, thats not a system thats luck mixed with a scam. and 25-30 an hour only works if customers keep subsidizing it, if tipping dies youre screwed. thats fragile as hell
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the people at slow diners making 8 an hour" lol. yeah some servers do good in tips but thats literally survivorship bias, most just get squeezed. and "takes years to pass" is not an argument against doing it, thats an argument for starting now instead of waiting for the next lunch rush to maybe save you
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones at dead spots make minimum is the whole problem. ur defending a system where ur income depends on where u work not what u do, thats not rewarding good service thats just luck. id take 25/hr guaranteed over hoping im born into a good shift any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur logic is "i got lucky and make decent money so who cares about the people stuck at dead restaurants making 6 an hour" lol. and ur calling that smart instead of just privileged. a system that only works if ur restaurant is packed is literally a broken system dude, thats the whole point
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally saying tipping works IF youre busy and lucky, which means its a shit system for 70% of servers working slow shifts at dead spots. and "money today" doesnt mean anything if half the industry is broke most nights. policy takes time but it actually fixes the problem instead of leaving it up to whether randos feel like paying extra lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving the whole point lol, good servers making bank is exactly why they NEED tips to survive, not why tipping works. if wages were real they'd make 25-30 without crossing their fingers that their shift is busy. ur arguing people should gamble on their paycheck instead of just getting paid, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving tipping only works if ur already busy which means its based on luck not merit, a server at a dead mall food court makes 8 an hour no matter how good they are. thats not rewarding good service thats rewarding location. a real wage floor fixes that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tipping to make it work which means the system is broken lol. if your job needs charity from customers to pay rent then its not the market rewarding good service thats just desperation. and most servers dont make 25 an hour especially during slow shifts, youre cherry picking the good days
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at nice places while everyone else gets screwed is the whole problem. thats not the market working thats a lottery where most people lose. why should a single mom at a slow diner have to pray for tips instead of just getting paid. ur system only works if ur lucky and thats not a system its gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "some servers make bank so we shouldnt fix it for everyone" thats not an argument thats just admitting the system sucks for most people and ur ok with it as long as winners exist. and those 25-30 an hour servers are propping up the whole lie that tipping works, theyre the exception not the rule lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is exactly the problem because its RANDOM. some night shift server at dennys making 8 an hour while the busy spot guy rakes it in, both doing the same job. thats not a system thats a lottery and acting like lottery winners should exist instead of just paying people fairly is insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude ur literally proving my point, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make rent thats not the market working thats desperation. and "today vs hypothetical" is a trash argument when literally every other developed country pays people actual wages AND still has good service. ur just defending a system that benefits owners not workers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point tho, good servers making bank at busy places while shit servers at dead spots make minimum under the table, tipping just makes it random instead of fair. and "maybe it never happens" is cope, literally every other country figured out how to pay people without begging customers lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, you need LUCK to make 30/hr at a busy place thats not a system thats gambling. and that 25-30 only happens if youre hot or work fine dining, most servers make like 18 because theyre at applebees getting stiffed by karens. $15/hr guaranteed beats your lottery ticket every time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but ur talking about the GOOD servers at busy places which is like 30% of the industry lol. what about the other 70% working dead shifts at diners making 4 bucks an hour plus maybe 2 dollar tips? theyre not getting 25 an hour theyre getting screwed. ur whole thing only works if youre lucky and thats literally the problem
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour proves the SYSTEM works for like 10% of places during rush times, what about the rest? and "money today vs hypothetical wage" is cope, literally every other country pays real wages and their restaurants still exist. youre just defending a broken system cause it randomly works sometimes for people who got lucky with shifts
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur argument is "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to work nights at a busy place" and im supposed to think thats a system and not just gambling. meanwhile servers at slow diners or dead shifts get screwed and you're cool with that as long as some people win the lottery. thats not smart thats just accepting a broken game instead of fixing it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers NEED tipping to make decent money then the system is broken not working. theyre not "being smart" theyre stuck gambling on whether their shift will be busy, and yeah some make 25 an hour on a good night then make 12 on a bad one. thats not a real wage thats financial roulette. actual policy means they make 25 every single shift, no luck involved. but sure keep defending a system that only works if youre hot or work at che
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "tipping works for people lucky enough to be hot or work weekends at olive garden" and thats supposed to be better than everyone just getting paid? thats not smart thats just accepting a rigged game. and those servers making 25-30 would make bank on real wages too lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making 25-30 an hour means bad servers are making 8 because they work dead shifts, and thats the whole problem. why should your paycheck depend on where the owner decided to schedule you instead of just being guaranteed. thats not the market rewarding skill thats luck rewarding luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" thats not an argument thats just cope. yeah some servers at nice places make bank off tips but most dont and theyre subsidizing owners wages with their own hustle. and the second tipping dies theyre not gonna make less they're gonna make 25-30 guaranteed which is what u already claimed happens now so whats the actual downside except owners dont get free labor lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving nobody should gamble their rent on "being good enough" at their job lol. if tipping is so great why does every server i know hate it and want stable pay instead of crossing their fingers that tonight isnt slow. thats not the market working thats just you being ok with instability as long as some people win the lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers make bank at busy places, bad servers starve at slow ones, and nobody gives a shit about consistency or fairness. thats not the market working thats just luck based on where you land. id rather have 25 an hour guaranteed than pray im hot enough to get tipped, cope harder
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones at dead spots make minimum is the exact inequality im talking about. why should it depend on luck of the draw where u work instead of just guaranteeing everyone a livable base? ur defending a system where servers pray they get the good shift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving it tho, good servers make bank at busy spots and starve at dead ones, its ALL luck not skill. if tipping actually rewarded service youd make the same anywhere, the fact that location matters way more than how good you are is exactly why wages fix it. stop pretending luck is merit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather exploit the current system than fix it" lol. good servers make bank at nice places, bad ones starve, thats not the market working thats just shuffling who gets screwed. and most servers dont work at the fancy spots, theyre at applebees making 12 an hour hoping someone tips. ur solution is "be good and get lucky" mine is "everyone gets paid." one actually scales
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make decent money thats not the market working thats the market broken lol. why should a server at applebees subsidize their own wage with the luck of the shift? slow tuesday = broke, thats not smart thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur literally proving my point, good servers make bank while bad ones starve, thats not a system thats a lottery. and youre cool with that existing just because it works for the lucky few? thats wild. id rather everyone get paid than hope u get scheduled at the busy spot, ur just coping with a broken system cause it benefits u rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour getting stiffed constantly. why should it depend on where you work? thats not the market working thats just luck, and a real wage system means everyones secure either way
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your own example proves you need tipping to survive which means the base system is broken lol, you shouldnt need lottery odds of a busy shift to eat. and 25-30 an hour only happens at nice places anyway, most servers are getting 15-18 and pretending thats good when they could just get guaranteed money. youre literally arguing we should keep a broken system because it sometimes works if youre lucky, thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except youre banking on being THE good server at a busy place which isnt a plan its a lottery ticket. most servers arent making 25-30, theyre making like 18-22 if theyre lucky and thats still getting bent over by inconsistent income. id rather have a guaranteed floor than hope im charming enough lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got lucky at a good spot so fuck everyone else" lol. those 25-30 an hour servers are like 10% of tipped workers, the rest are grinding for scraps at diners or getting stiffed constantly. youre confusing your personal win with how the system actually works for most people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats survivorship bias lol. yeah some servers at olive garden make bank but most dont, youre just picking the winners and ignoring all the people working dead shifts at ihop making 8 bucks an hour. and "policy takes years" isnt an argument against it its just reality, doesnt mean we shouldnt do it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
youre conflating two things dude. yeah good servers make bank NOW under tipping but thats literally because theyre subsidized by customers not their boss, and half the industry eats shit for it. youre basically saying "some people win the lottery so we dont need stable jobs" lol thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur conflating luck with skill and ignoring that 25-30 an hour only happens if ur at a busy spot with drunk people throwing cash around, most servers are making 12-14 and hoping. policy takes time sure but at least its guaranteed, ur whole thing depends on where u happen to work which is literally the definition of luck not market efficiency lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers only make bank at BUSY places which means its still luck based not merit based, and the ones at dead locations get screwed. real wages means everyone makes decent money regardless where they work, not just whoever got lucky enough to land at applebees on a friday night. ur defending a system thats literally dependent on chance
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping is broken lol. "good servers make bank if theyre at the right place" isnt a feature its a bug. why should some server at applebees making 12 an hour subsidize your fancy dinner experience while your server at the upscale spot gets paid. its arbitrary as hell and you know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except youre cherry picking the busy shifts lol, good luck making 25/hr on a tuesday at 11am, and most servers are working those dead times too. plus youre betting your whole income on the mood of strangers which is insane, id take a guaranteed 18/hr over that gamble any day. policy that works beats market luck every time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ok so ur saying the system works fine as long as servers gamble on getting busy shifts and hope their manager doesnt schedule them dead nights, thats literally just luck dressed up as merit. and "25-30 an hour" at some places doesnt mean squat when half the servers are making 12. ur picking winners and calling it a system, i'm saying everybody should just get paid. thats not hypothetical its literally how every other developed country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting tipping is random and depends on where you work lol thats not smart thats luck. and 25-30 an hour? only if youre at a busy place in a nice area, most servers make like 18-20 with dead shifts. youre cherry picking the best case and calling it the system, meanwhile half the industry is broke. real wages means everyone actually makes money not just the lucky ones, thats the whole point
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole thing is "tipping works great if ur lucky enough to be hot or work at a busy place" which literally proves its garbage for most people. why should a server at dennys count on randos being generous instead of just, you know, getting paid. ur just defending a system that only works for some and calling it market logic when its just chaos
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur whole thing falls apart if we're relying on servers being "smart" enough to find the good spots, thats just shuffling deck chairs. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half your shifts are dead, youre comparing peak hours to guaranteed wages like theyre the same thing lol. policy gets you baseline income every single week, tips get you lucky or broke. thats not market it's a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so youre literally saying servers should gamble on location and hope theyre busy instead of having guaranteed income, thats not the market working thats just Stockholm syndrome for instability lol. and 25-30 an hour at a nice place doesnt help the server at applebees getting stiffed on a tuesday, your system just widens the gap between winners and losers
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur whole argument is "it works if youre lucky and fast enough to jump ship" which is just admitting the system sucks for most people. thats not a feature dude thats a bug. and "money today vs hypothetical" is cope when restaurants already pay full wages in other countries and didnt collapse, theyre just not extracting as much profit. ur defending a rigged game cause youre winning at it rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places is the EXCEPTION not the rule. most servers are grinding at slow spots making like 12 an hour after tips, you just picked the best case scenario and pretended thats how it works for everyone. thats not an argument thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at busy places and get screwed at slow ones, thats pure luck not skill. with real wages everyone makes decent money everywhere and the good ones still get tipped on top. your system only works if youre already winning lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if servers NEED tips to make decent money thats the problem not the solution. youre saying "id rather have maybe 30 an hour at a busy place than guaranteed 18" which is insane, thats accepting a worse deal because youre scared of change. and half those servers work slow nights and make minimum wage anyway you just dont see em
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have uncertain money now than guaranteed money later" which is cope lol. good luck relying on your regulars and hope your restaurant doesnt tank during a recession. places with actual wages dont have that problem their workers show up either way. youre choosing the risky move and calling it smart
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ok so ur solution is "hope ur busy and ur boss doesnt schedule u for slow shifts" thats not being smart thats cope. good servers subsidizing bad restaurants while flipping a coin on their paycheck every week, meanwhile dishwashers make nothing cause nobody tips them. ur defending a rigged game dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur ignoring that most servers ARENT making 25-30 an hour, thats the busy restaurant crowd. majority of servers are at diners and casual spots getting 18-22 if theyre lucky, and half of that depends on whether customers feel guilty enough to tip. thats not a market its a slot machine dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude "be smart and hope your restaurant is busy" isnt a system its just gambling. and 25-30 an hour only happens at like bougie spots, most servers are making 12-15 with dead shifts. you're cherry picking the good gig and ignoring that tipping leaves most people broke. thats not the market working thats just survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude youre literally proving my point, if a server needs tips to make 25-30 an hour that means the BASE job doesnt pay shit, thats the whole problem. "id rather have money today" cool so would everyone but thats not how you fix a broken system you just normalize it more. your argument is just cope for why nothing changes
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need LUCK to make good money which means the system is broken lol. if every server could make 25-30 an hour tipping wouldnt exist, wed just pay it. instead ur celebrating that some ppl get lucky while others get screwed, thats not an argument thats just accepting a rigged game
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are eating shit at slow locations or getting stiffed by assholes, youre just talking about the lucky ones. and "it might never happen" is cope, every other developed country did it just fine
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" which is the weakest take possible lol. yeah good servers at busy spots make bank NOW but thats literally luck not a system, what about the 16 year old at the dead mall food court making 2.13 an hour hoping for tips that never come. you want to keep that going just so you can feel good about your 28 dollar hourly? thats selfish as hell
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the people stuck in dead zones making 8 an hour" lmao. thats not smart thats just selfish. and 25-30 an hour in one city doesnt mean shit when half the country has slow shifts and no backup. youre picking winners and calling it a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "good servers make bank so ignore everyone else" which is insane lol. a system where half the service industry is struggling isnt "working" just cause some people at nice restaurants are doing ok. thats not smart thats just luck and ur cool with leaving everyone else behind
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather exploit the current broken system than fix it" lmao. good servers making 25-30 an hour in busy spots while everyone else gets screwed isnt the market working thats just luck and desperation. you want to keep it because you benefit, not because its good policy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places is EXACTLY the luck part, what about the ones at slow diners or mid shift? they get screwed either way. and "money today" doesnt mean anything if half the industry is working for tips that barely exist, thats not smart thats just survivor bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have money today" which is just admitting the whole system depends on servers getting lucky with good shifts and good customers, thats not smart thats just cope. a baker making 15/hr guaranteed beats a server crossing fingers for 25 some nights and eating 8/hr others, you just dont wanna admit the gamble sucks
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank at busy places while bad ones starve at slow spots, thats not the market working thats just luck based on where u happen to work. nobody should have to gamble on rent money, thats why we need the policy. you cant say "some people win" and call that a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just proving that tipping works for like 10% of servers in busy spots and leaves everyone else screwed, then calling it a system lol. thats not smart thats survivorship bias. good servers shouldnt need to gamble on whether theyre at a busy location to eat, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have guaranteed money" thats not smart thats cope lol. most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, youre picking the best case. and youre still ignoring that good servers leaving trash spots just means those places get worse which punishes customers not the owner, policy fixes that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving tipping is gambling not a system, good servers at busy spots make bank but the diner server at 2pm is eating shit and u think thats fine cause some people got lucky. abolish the lottery and just pay people fairly its not that hard my guy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting tipping only works if youre already at a good spot which proves its a luck based system not a real one, and acting like "i make good money now" is the same as "the system works" is cope. most servers dont make 25-30, that aint the average thats the highlight reel
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers only make bank at busy places which means the system IS broken and dependent on luck, if it was actually working youd get paid the same everywhere for the same job. youre choosing 25 an hour at one spot over 15 everywhere which just shows tipping creates inequality not solves it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" dressed up as logic. yeah some servers in busy spots do ok on tips but that doesn't mean the system works, it means you're betting your income on where you work and how hot you are. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias. real wage means everyone gets paid whether its tuesday or saturday, whether theyre pretty or not. ur arguing tipping is fine cause YOU personally know someone making bank off it lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "tipping works for people lucky enough to be hot or work nights at a busy place" and thats not a system thats a lottery lol. most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, youre cherry picking the best case. and "wait for policy" - other countries did it already, its not hypothetical, its just you defending the status quo because it benefits some people while screwing most
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart and gamble on tips" is not the flex you think it is. you're literally arguing servers should cross their fingers for busy shifts while you sit here defending a system where their paycheck depends on whether karens feel like it. thats not the market thats just chaos with extra steps dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working its just gambling with peoples rent money. and "maybe it never happens" is cope, every other developed country figured this out already. ur defending a system that only works if youre in the right place at the right time, thats not smart thats just lucky and ur too deep in it to see it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if a good server needs TIPS to make 25-30 an hour thats because the BASE wage is garbage, youre celebrating a system where your income depends on how busy it was that night and how nice your customers feel, thats not smart thats just stockholm syndrome for poverty wages lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving tipping only works if ur lucky enough to be busy or good looking or whatever, thats not a system thats just gambling. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business slows down or u get a bad section, nobody has stable income. wages are guaranteed, tipping isnt, idk why ur acting like that aint obvious
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just admitting you need luck to eat and saying thats fine lol. if the system only works when ur at a busy spot thats a broken system not a good one. and 25-30 an hour isnt even real if half ur shifts are dead, youre averaging it in your head and we both know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make decent money then the system is broken, not working. youre saying "id rather have money today" but thats only because your employer decided to pay you 2.13 an hour lol. thats not the market rewarding you thats wage theft with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places doesnt help the 70 percent stuck at slow diners or whatever. and theyre not "smart" theyre just trapped depending on randos mood, one bad shift and ur rent money evaporates. thats not a system thats gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but youre literally banking on every customer tipping well and every server being in a busy spot, thats not a system thats just survivorship bias. dude working the graveyard shift at dennys isnt making 25 an hour no matter how good he is, ur just ignoring those people cause they dont fit ur narrative lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur whole thing is "tipping works great if ur lucky" which is insane lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the busy spots and you know it. the rest are scraping by on bad shifts and hoping for decent tables. id rather guarantee everyone 20 an hour than rely on the gamble that u end up somewhere popular, thats not hypothetical thats how literally every other country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "id rather get lucky than have a guarantee" which is insane lol. yeah some servers make bank but most dont, and youre cool with that because the ones that do exist? thats not the market working thats survivorship bias. most people get screwed so a few can flex, thats why we need base pay.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur saying tipping works great but only if youre already at a busy place, which means half the servers are stuck at dead spots making garbage while u make bank. thats not the market rewarding skill thats just luck of the draw lol. wages fix that for everyone not just the winners
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead spots make 8 bucks an hour, thats not a system thats a lottery. and "wait for policy" is a cope when other countries already did it and their servers are fine, youre just defending the status quo cause it works for you
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lol. "good servers make bank if theyre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" isnt a feature its a bug. why should your paycheck depend on whether Karen tips you or if its a slow tuesday. wages fix that, tipping is just gambling with rent money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got mine so who cares about the people working dead shifts at applebees making 8 bucks" thats not a defense of tipping its just admitting it only works if ur busy and good at it. thats exactly the problem lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is just survivorship bias, most servers are making 12-15 in dead shifts and relying on hope. and "my policy takes years" is just cope, we're ALREADY waiting, youre just waiting while pretending its not broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve at slow spots isnt the market working thats just luck of the draw. and ur okay with that cause it benefits you, but most people arent working at olive garden on a friday night theyre getting 12 bucks in tips at a dead pancake place. youre only defending a system that screwed you over cause you happened to win the location lottery lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur cool with servers gambling on whether theyre at a busy spot or not, thats literally luck not skill. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either ur just cherry picking good nights, most servers average way less. plus ur whole thing still depends on customers doing the tipping which they resent, its not a system its a con thats working on you dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol dude youre literally proving my point again. good servers making 25-30 an hour is exactly the problem - thats only happening at busy places with rich customers, not everywhere. so ur cool with the system where a server at applebees on a tuesday makes 12 an hour while the one at a nice steakhouse clears 30? thats not rewarding good service thats just rewarding luck. ill take a guaranteed 18 from a real wage over gambling whether my shift is busy or not
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, good servers make bank AT GOOD PLACES and everyone else eats shit. thats not the market working thats a lottery. and "money today" vs waiting is cope - youre defending a system where your paycheck depends on whether karens feel like it, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats survivorship bias lol, youre only seeing the servers making bank at olive garden not the ones at the dead ihop making 8 bucks an hour wishing they had guaranteed money. and "years to pass" is a cope when some places already pay 15-20 no tips required and arent going under. youre just defending a system that works for like 20 percent of servers and calling it good
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur literally saying "id rather have money today" which is just admitting the system is broken for everyone NOT at a busy spot, youre just cool with half the servers eating shit as long as you get yours. thats not a defense of tipping thats just selfishness lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats survivorship bias lol, ur only seeing the servers at busy places who won the lottery. meanwhile thousands are making 8 bucks an hour at dead shifts hoping someone tips them, and you think thats a better system than just... paying people. the market isnt fixing it, its just hiding how broken it is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just proving the point lol. good servers make bank at busy places, bad servers at dead spots make minimum. so tipping only works if you already won the location lottery. thats not a system thats gambling. id take guaranteed 25 over hoping i land the right restaurant any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots are getting crushed on minimum wage with no tips. thats not the market working thats just luck of the draw. why should someones paycheck depend on where they got scheduled instead of actual policy that fixes it for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur picking the winners tho, good servers at busy places bank while bad locations staff cant afford to stay, so you end up with two tier service anyway except now its ALL dependent on luck of where u work. thats not the market rewarding merit thats just randomness with extra steps lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally just saying "i got mine so who cares" lol. yeah some servers in busy spots make bank but half your coworkers are making 8 bucks an hour getting stiffed constantly. youre confusing YOUR good luck with the system actually working. if it works so good why do servers need tips to survive at all
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying good servers should gamble on location and hope theyre busy enough to make rent, thats not smart thats just stockholm syndrome. and those 25-30 places? theyre the exception not the rule, most servers make trash and you know it. policy doesnt take years if we actually pushed it instead of pretending tipping is destiny
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" thats the luck part not the smart part. most servers arent at fancy restaurants theyre at applebees making 8 an hour plus whatever randos feel like tipping. you're just defending a system that works for like 20% of people and calling it efficient
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point, if good servers can ONLY make real money at busy places then the system is broken for everyone else. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either its literally just luck based on where u work and how busy it is, thats not smart thats just hoping ur schedule works out. guaranteed wages fixes that for everyone instead of some servers eating and others starving lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, good servers making 25-30 is only possible at busy spots which means the system depends on luck not merit, and most servers arent at those spots theyre making 12 an hour hoping for decent tables. thats not the market working thats just survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by admitting good servers have to get lucky with location and shift timing to make decent money lol. thats not a feature its a bug. skeleton crew places stay open cause they can underpay, tipping just hides how broken that is instead of fixing it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point for me, the fact that servers need TIPS to hit 25-30 an hour instead of the restaurant just paying it means the whole system is broken lol. youre settling for crumbs and calling it winning, meanwhile other countries figured this out decades ago without any of this circus
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except thats only true if youre hot or work somewhere packed, most servers arent making that and you know it. plus youre basically saying "the system works great if youre lucky enough to be in the right spot" which is a terrible system lol. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on tips, thats not hypothetical thats literally how every other developed country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally describing why tipping sucks lol, servers shouldnt have to gamble on being "lucky enough" to work somewhere busy to make rent. and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business drops, thats not secure income thats just chaos. id take guaranteed 20 an hour over hoping rich people show up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur admitting good servers make bank at busy places which means theyre already getting paid well, so tipping isnt doing anything there its just extra. and bad servers at dead places make nothing which proves the system is broken and depends on luck not merit lol ur just defending status quo
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "good servers make bank at busy places" which is literally admitting the system only works if youre lucky enough to get that spot, thats not a feature its a bug lol. and those 25-30 an hour jobs disappear the second the economy tanks, wages dont. youre betting your life on tips being good forever which is the dumbest hedge possible
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats the market being broken. why should someone's rent depend on getting lucky with a restaurant that's slammed, that's not a system that's a casino. and ur obsessed with the number 25/hour but thats only for like 10% of servers in major cities the rest are screwed. actual wages means everyone eats not just whoever happened to land at applebees on
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers make bank ONLY at busy places thats not the market working thats luck. and most servers work slow shifts or dead spots so ur solution screws 70% of them to keep 30% happy, thats not smart thats just accepting a broken system because YOU got lucky once
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places is exactly why we need this - ur saying the system works great if ur lucky enough to roll dice on location and shift, thats not a feature thats a bug. and those servers getting 30/hr subsidized by customers IS policy, just worse policy than actual wages
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur argument is "servers should hope theyre busy and hope their customers arent broke and hope theyre hot enough to get better tips" instead of just... getting paid. thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome. and 25-30 an hour only happens at nice places, most servers are making 12-15 after tips get averaged out, you're cherry picking the good shifts
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have it work for me personally right now" which isnt an argument for why the system is good its just admitting youre OK with it being broken for everybody else lol. thats not market logic thats just selfishness with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers make trash money at slow spots and theres no mechanism to move them up. tipping just lets a few lucky people gamble instead of everyone getting guaranteed money. thats not a system thats a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, servers making 25-30 only happens at busy places which means the system DEPENDS on luck not merit, and those servers are also dealing with way more stress for that money. thats not smart thats just desperation dressed up as freedom lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole thing is "id rather have money today" which means ur admitting the system is broken right now, you just think YOUR server is gonna be the lucky one. thats literally luck not a system dude, and meanwhile everyone else is getting stiffed or working doubles for rent money. policy takes time sure but it actually fixes it for everyone instead of just the hot spots with foot traffic
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky today than have a guarantee tomorrow" which is fine for you but doesnt work for the server at a dead applebees making 8 bucks an hour. tipping only pays well if youre somewhere busy, thats not the market working thats just variance. everyone deserves base pay that isnt a gamble
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving my point harder every time u talk. "good servers make 25-30 an hour IF they work somewhere busy" thats the luck part dipshit. most servers arent at busy spots, most are grinding for 12 bucks an hour praying for decent tables. ur whole system is just rewarding the lottery winners and calling it meritocracy, meanwhile everyone else subsidizes billionaire restaurant owners who refuse to pay baseline wages. thats not the market working thats the market fa
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "some servers get lucky and make bank so we dont need to fix the system" thats not an argument thats just cope. yeah they make 25-30 at a busy spot but the rest are getting screwed and YOU know it, you just dont wanna admit tipping is a gamble not a feature. wages fix it for everyone not just the lucky few at applebees on friday night lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just describing why tipping is trash lol, you need LUCK and a GOOD location to make decent money instead of it being guaranteed. thats not a feature its a bug. and nobody waits years for policy when servers are literally starving rn, we can do both at once
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have a guarantee" which isnt an argument its just cope. most servers arent at busy spots making 25 an hour theyre at applebees making 12 plus whatever drunk people feel like throwing in, you picked the best case scenario and acted like thats normal lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve somewhere else isnt the market working its just individual luck and thats exactly the problem. why should someone's rent depend on their manager scheduling them well or whether tuesdays are slow, thats not meritocracy thats just chaos. wages fix that, tips can stay as actual bonus money instead of being the only reason anyone shows up
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting tipping only works if ur already busy which means its not rewarding good service its rewarding which restaurant u randomly got hired at, and most servers make way less than 25-30 thats just the cherry picked spots. policy isnt hypothetical when literally every other developed country did it lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao okay so your whole thing is "servers should gamble on being busy instead of getting guaranteed money" thats insane dude. good luck telling someone working a wednesday lunch shift theyre being dumb for wanting a paycheck that doesn't depend on how many tables show up, plenty of places already do this and servers arent jumping ship
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats just survivorship bias lol, yeah good servers at busy spots make bank but half the industry is getting crushed working doubles for 8 bucks an hour. youre literally saying "tipping works great if ur lucky" and calling it a system, thats not the flex u think it is
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just describing why tipping sucks lol, good servers making bank while bad ones starve isnt the market working thats luck of the draw. and most servers arent making 25-30 an hour youre cherry picking busy shifts at nice places. the rest are grinding for minimum wage + tips that dont come, youre literally arguing some people deserve poverty wages and thats fine as long as the lucky ones cash out. thats not a system its a lottery
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lmao, good servers making 25-30 an hour is the EXCEPTION not the rule, thats survivorship bias. most servers are grinding for tips at dead shifts making minimum, ur just ignoring all of them cause they dont fit ur narrative. and "years to pass" is a cope when ppl are suffering right now under a broken system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 only works if theyre at busy spots with rich customers, everyone else gets screwed and relies on hoping for tips. thats not a system its a lottery. meanwhile places that actually pay wages just... pay everyone fairly. no gambling involved
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, good servers are making bank at *specific places* which means its not a system its a lottery. a single mom working at dennys with bad shifts isnt "being dumb" shes just fucked. tipping works great if ur hot and work brunch rush, that aint a solution its just luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is ONLY because of tipping not because the system is good. what about the slow shift servers or the ones at dead locations? theyre making like 8 bucks an hour still. you just described why tipping is broken, not why it works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places only works BECAUSE theyre subsidizing bad restaurants with their labor. thats not the market working thats just shifting who pays. and "money today vs hypothetical" is cope when half of servers are broke as hell cause they landed at a dead shift or slow location. youre advocating for a lottery system and calling it economics
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah ok so youre banking on servers staying at busy spots forever but half of em burn out in 2 years, plus the whole system only works if customers keep tipping which aint guaranteed if wages go up anyway. youre defending a house of cards and calling it smart lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
okay but ur talking about the GOOD servers at GOOD spots which is like 20% of the industry lmao, what about the other 80% working dead shifts at diners or getting stiffed cause some boomer thinks tips are optional. ur whole system relies on servers getting lucky and that aint policy thats just gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of servers and grinds the other 80% into dust. thats not a feature thats a bug. and "policy takes years" yeah cause yall keep arguing instead of pushing it, not my problem
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur just describing why the current system sucks lol, servers shouldnt HAVE to pray theyre busy enough or work at the right place to make rent. and 25-30 an hour for some isnt a system its a lottery. youre literally arguing that gambling on tips is better than guaranteed money, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, if good servers NEED tipping to make decent money then the system is broken not working. youre just choosing to defend whats broken because it works for some people right now. thats not an argument thats just coping that way
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not smart thats survivorship bias lmao, youre only seeing the servers at busy places who made bank, not the thousands grinding it out at dead spots for 8 bucks an hour pretending theyre "lucky." and 15 an hour guaranteed beats the hell out of hoping ur shift doesnt suck, its not hypothetical if literally every other developed country does it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lmao. good servers making bank means bad servers are getting screwed, and theyre subsidizing their own poverty waiting for a good shift. thats not the market working thats just gambling with rent money. policy gives everyone a floor, tipping gives some people a ceiling and everyone else the shaft
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, you need LUCK to make 25 an hour which means its not a real system its a gamble. and "money today" only works if you get those shifts, which skeleton crew places dont have. youre just picking the best case scenario and acting like thats how it works for everyone its not
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except ur ignoring that only like 20% of servers actually make bank, the rest are grinding at slow diners getting stiffed constantly. ur just defending a system that works for the winners and telling everyone else to cope. thats not the market working thats just luck with better branding lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah ok so ur argument is literally "i got mine so who cares about the system" lol. good for you making 25 an hour, what about the server at a dead location making 8 bucks in tips on a lunch shift. tipping isnt smart its just a lottery and ur defending the lottery cause you won, thats peak cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers make bank ONLY at busy places which means its pure luck not merit, and thats exactly the problem. oh and that 25-30 an hour disappears the second business gets slow or u get sick days off, wages dont. ur defending a system where income is random and ur calling it smart lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats only true if ur working somewhere packed, most servers arent making that and you know it. ur literally proving tipping is luck based not merit based lol. id rather have guaranteed 18-20 an hour than gamble on whether my shift is busy, thats just math dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah so youre literally saying "good servers make bank if theyre in the right spot" which is just luck with extra steps lol. why should someones rent depend on whether they work friday nights at a busy place or closing shifts at slow restaurant, thats not a system thats gambling. just pay people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro youre literally admitting tipping only works if ur already at a busy spot which means most servers are fucked, thats not the market working thats just survivorship bias. and "money today" sounds good til u realize half your coworkers are making 8 an hour on dead shifts lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so ur whole thing is "tipping works if youre lucky enough to be busy" which is literally admitting its broken for most people. and "id rather have money today" is just cope for why we shouldnt fix the actual problem. ur defending a system that only works if ur in the right spot at the right time, i want one that works for everyone. thats the difference
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means tipping is a lottery ticket not a system. what about the server at dennys on a tuesday making 8 an hour plus tips? tipping only works if youre already in a good spot thats the whole problem
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers HAVE to work busy places and hope for tips to make decent money instead of just... getting paid that by their employer is the whole problem. youre celebrating a broken system working sometimes instead of asking why it has to be broken at all
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally proving my point that the whole thing depends on luck and timing instead of being reliable, good servers making bank at busy spots while others get destroyed isnt "the market working" its just inequality with extra steps. and ur trading that gamble for actual security that literally every other developed country already figured out, but sure keep gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, if servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour thats literally admitting the base wage is trash. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on busy shifts and hope rich customers feel generous, they should just get paid. youre defending a broken system and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your "make money today" argument is peak cope lol. youre asking servers to gamble on being busy instead of having guaranteed money, thats not smart thats Stockholm syndrome. and those 25-30 hour spots? theyre like 5% of restaurants, most people making 12 an hour serving is the reality you're ignoring
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally just "id rather exploit the system that exists than fix it" lol. good servers make bank at olive garden, bad servers starve, and customers subsidize both so nobody knows what anything actually costs. youre not making an argument youre just defending the status quo cause it works for you rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers making bank is the exception not the rule and it only works in busy spots. meanwhile half the industry is making shit and relying on the hope they work somewhere good. why is "most people get screwed but some get lucky" a better system than everyone just gets paid. thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving servers are gambling on whether theyre busy or not, thats not smart thats desperation. a system where you make bank one shift and scrape by the next isnt "working" its just chaos. and 25-30 only happens if ur slammed which isnt guaranteed, most servers dont hit that. guaranteed 18-20 base beats the lottery ticket every time, your argument is literally "stay dependent on customer mood swings" lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ok so youre literally saying "tipping works great if youre lucky enough to be in a busy spot making bank" which is exactly MY point that its unreliable bullshit. and "your policy takes years" yeah no shit thats how change works, but in the meantime servers at dead locations making 7.25 an hour are still getting fucked. you're just cool with that i guess
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers making bank at busy spots while trash servers at dead locations make minimum is the PROBLEM not the solution. why should someones paycheck depend on whether theyre lucky enough to work at a poppin restaurant. thats not a system thats a lottery and ur just mad because youre winning the lottery rn
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except youre cherry picking busy shifts lol, most servers dont make 25-30 an hour when you factor in the dead shifts and the fact that tips vary wildly. and "money today" doesnt mean shit if the system is designed to keep you broke and desperate so owners keep paying you 2 bucks. youre praising a cage
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur literally proving my point, good servers make bank ONLY at busy spots which means the system isnt rewarding good service its rewarding location and luck, a server at applebees doing the same job makes half what someone makes at a nicer place for identical work thats broken not smart
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers only make bank at busy places thats not rewarding good service thats rewarding being at the right location, a server at a dead spot working twice as hard gets nothing and thats broken. real wages fix that, tipping just shuffles who gets screwed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally admitting the system depends on servers getting lucky with location and shifts, thats not the market working thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour isnt real if half your shifts suck and u gotta make rent anyway. real wages means everyone gets it not just the hot spot servers cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers make trash money at slow spots. and "wait for policy" is a fake excuse when places like california already did it, servers didn't die lmao. stop defending a system that only works if ur lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre literally banking on servers staying at good spots forever lol, most burn out in like 2 years and cycle into skeleton crew places anyway where they make nothing. tipping doesnt fix burnout it just lets owners avoid paying for basic staffing costs. ur subsidizing their business model with luck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on whether theyre busy enough to eat instead of just getting paid, thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome lmao. and 25-30 an hour at a nice place doesnt mean anything when half the servers work at applebees for 8 bucks and hope, policy fixes everyone not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally admitting tipping only works if ur at a busy spot which means half the servers are stuck making garbage money, thats not the market working thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour? most servers dont see that lol. id rather have guaranteed money than pray im hot enough to work somewhere packed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tips to make rent which means the base system is broken, you shouldnt have to pray for busy shifts and good customers to survive. thats not the market working thats you getting lucky and calling it a feature lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying "id rather have inconsistent money that depends on how busy it is and what mood customers are in than a guaranteed baseline" thats not being smart thats just stockholm syndrome lol. and ur ignoring that most servers arent making 25-30 an hour, thats the lucky ones at fancy places
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers starve is the problem not the solution. thats not rewarding good service thats rewarding good luck with where you got hired. if wages were real those good servers make that money everywhere not just the lottery spots
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour thats because the base wage is trash, not because tipping is some genius system. youre just cool with servers gambling on whether theyll get busy instead of getting paid a real salary. thats settling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "id rather take a gamble on tips than guaranteed money" which is insane lol. yeah some servers crush it but most dont, and theyre subsidizing cheap restaurants so rich people can have $8 appetizers. that aint the market thats just wage theft with extra steps and ur cool with it cause u saw one tiktok of a bartender making bank
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank RIGHT NOW is exactly why theyre cool with the system staying broken. tipping works great if ur already in a good spot, garbage if ur not, thats not a real solution thats just saying some people should get lucky. actual policy fixes it for everyone not just the hot restaurant crew
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing why tipping sucks lol, the fact that some servers make bank at busy places while others get screwed at slow spots proves its not a real system its just luck. and you're literally betting your whole argument on servers staying poor forever cause the alternative might take time, thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
so ur saying the system works great if youre lucky enough to work nights at a busy place but sucks if ur at a slow diner, thats literally my point lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt the average its just what hot spots pay, most servers make way less. ur arguing the lottery is good actually
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky than have a guarantee" lol thats not smart thats just cope. plenty of servers work dead shifts at dead locations and make minimum wage plus nothing, you just dont see them cause theyre not on tiktok flexing. tipping doesnt fix that it just hides it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving the point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make decent money thats the system being broken not working. and that 25-30 only happens if youre at a busy spot in a good area, most servers dont get that. youre just describing inequality and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur whole thing falls apart when the server gets stiffed lol. good server at a slow location makes like 8 bucks an hour some nights, bad server at a busy place makes bank. thats not rewarding skill thats just luck of the draw. u want me to celebrate a system where half the job is where u work not how good u are
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of people and fucks the rest, thats not a feature thats a bug. and $15 minimum is already law in half the country so ur living in 2015, wages are moving whether u like it or not
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving the point tho, if good servers NEED tipping to make 25-30 then theyre dependent on the owner not paying them, thats not the market working thats wage theft with extra steps. and "maybe it never happens" isnt an argument its just cope, every other developed country figured it out already lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so youre banking on getting lucky at a busy spot and hoping customers feel generous, im banking on literally everyone getting paid guaranteed money. youre describing a lottery i'm describing a job. and plenty of servers make way less than 25-30 when its slow so stop pretending tipping is stable lmao
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers can ONLY make decent money at busy places thats not the market working thats the market failing most workers. and 25-30 at a busy spot doesnt exist everywhere which is why we need a floor that isnt dependent on luck or location. youre asking people to gamble on getting a good shift instead of just paying them
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the problem not the solution. theyre only getting that cash because restaurants wont pay them, so they depend on customers guilt tripping themselves into subsidizing wages. thats not the market working thats just wage theft with extra steps and it only works if youre hot or work dinner rush. most servers get screwed, you just dont see them
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, servers making 25-30 an hour is the EXCEPTION not the rule and only happens at fancy spots. most servers are scraping by at applebees making 12 an hour plus tips cause people dont tip on bad experiences. ur betting your whole life on being hot and working somewhere busy, thats not a system thats a lottery ticket
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats literally the luck thing lol, youre just describing luck and calling it smart. good servers at busy spots make bank, bad luck servers at dead spots starve even if theyre good. you want people's paycheck to depend on whether their restaurant happens to be packed that night? thats not a system its a casino
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bruh youre literally proving my point, if good servers are jumping ship to busy places thats because the market isnt paying them enough at slow spots. if wages were built in theyd make bank everywhere not just when they get lucky with foot traffic. youre describing the problem and calling it the solution lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing "why wait for a system that works for everyone when i can gamble on being in a busy spot" thats not smart thats just survivorship bias. plenty of servers make dogshit money at slow places and have zero leverage, youre just ignoring them cause they dont fit ur narrative lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank depends on WHICH restaurant they work at, thats not the market working thats the lottery. and "money today" isnt real if half the industry is getting stiffed or stuck at dead spots making minimum. your system only works if ur already lucky, mine works for everyone. thats the difference
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if a good server NEEDS tips to make 25-30 an hour thats because the BASE wage is dogshit, and most servers arent at busy places making bank theyre getting scraps. your "smart money today" argument falls apart the second you work somewhere slow, then youre back to minimum wage crying about rent. thats not a system thats a lottery with a gun to your head
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying "id rather have money today" lol, thats not the market working thats you hoping you land at a busy spot instead of a slow one. good servers shouldnt have to gamble on location to eat, thats the whole point. you want them to stay poor and dependent on luck instead of just paying them
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "it works if youre lucky enough to be in the right spot at the right time" and calling that a system lol. thats not smart thats just gambling. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the cherry picked busy restaurant cope. meanwhile the 15 year old busser at applebees is making 2.13 an hour waiting for tips that never come
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally arguing "id rather get paid good if im lucky" as if thats a system lol. thats not being smart thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour only happens at busy spots in cities, servers in rural areas or slow shifts get screwed. ur just defending a lottery disguised as a market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at busy places which means the system works great if youre already lucky enough to be there, thats not a feature thats a bug. and most servers dont make 25-30 an hour, thats cherry picked as hell. pay everyone a real wage and the good ones still make that plus tips, now everyones not gambling on it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not an argument thats just cope. "id rather have money today" is literally admitting the system is broken and you need charity from strangers instead of your boss actually paying you. smart would be getting paid by your employer like every other job on earth lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude you just said the quiet part out loud lol. good servers making bank at busy places while bad servers at dead locations get screwed, thats not "the market working" thats just lottery bullshit and you're cool with it cause youre imagining yourself as the winner. thats peak cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao ok so ur admitting tipping is a lottery where maybe u get 25/hr if ur hot and work somewhere packed, or ur screwed making 8 bucks an hour at some dead spot. thats not a system thats just cope for why we shouldnt pay people fairly. id rather have guaranteed money than pray im lucky enough to work the right shift at the right place dude
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just describing the lottery and calling it a system lol. yeah some servers make bank at busy spots, most dont, and thats the whole problem. youre basically saying "sucks to be unlucky" which isnt an argument its just cope. and thats exactly why policy matters - it floors the game so youre not gambling on whether your shift is packed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, you need tipping to make 25-30 an hour which means the BASE wage is dogshit, thats the whole problem. why should servers have to gamble on whether theyll make rent that month. other countries abolished tipping and their servers do fine, its not hypothetical its already working
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving youre ok with a lottery system where it matters more where you work than how good you are, thats not the market thats chaos. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception, most servers make way less and have zero security, youre picking the best case scenario and acting like thats the whole picture lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally banking on servers being lucky enough to work somewhere busy, thats not a system thats gambling. and 25-30 an hour only happens at nice places, the average server makes like 18 at a midrange spot. ur ignoring all the people getting screwed so u can point at outliers making bank lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point, good servers making bank at busy places just means the system works for like 20% of people and fucks the rest, thats not a feature thats a bug. and "money today" is cope when half the industry makes minimum wage with no tips because theyre at dead locations or bad shifts, you just dont care about them lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving my point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make 25-30 then the system is broken not working. ur literally saying "id rather gamble on busy shifts than have guaranteed money" which is insane, thats not smart thats just stockholm syndrome for a bad job
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, youre saying servers make good money only if theyre at busy spots which means its literally luck not reward for good service. and that 25-30 thing only works in major cities during rush hours, most servers are making like 12-14 with no benefits. thats not the market working thats just you being fine with a lottery system where half the staff eats shit
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at busy places which means the SYSTEM depends on luck not merit, a mediocre server at a packed restaurant makes more than a great server at a slow one, thats not rewarding good service thats just randomness. and ur stuck defending a system that only works if u gamble on location lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally saying "id rather have a system where my pay depends on whether its a tuesday or a saturday and whether karen feels like it" thats not smart thats stockholm syndrome. good servers making bank at applebees doesnt exist for everyone and you know it, youre just defending the ones who got lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if good servers are making bank its BECAUSE theyre at busy places with tons of customers, not because tipping is some genius system. a server at a dead diner making 8 bucks an hour isnt getting saved by tips, theyre just getting screwed while you act like the system works for everyone. thats not smart thats just survivorship bias
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing the system works great if ur lucky and works terrible if ur not, thats not a defense of the system thats admitting it sucks lol. a good policy fixes it for everyone not just the servers who happen to land good shifts at busy places. ur settling for scraps and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is the EXCEPTION not the rule, most servers are grinding at dead spots making 8 an hour plus whatever crumbs they get. your whole argument is "well *some* people win the lottery so we dont need paychecks" thats insane. pay people real money and tips can still exist for actual good service, crazy concept i know
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point harder, if good servers need tips to make 25-30 then theyre literally dependent on luck and location not skill. a server at a dead ihop making 7 an hour cant just jump ship if they got bills, theyre trapped. your system only works for people who already won the lottery of where they work, thats not the market thats just privilege with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude thats not the market working thats just you accepting that some people win the lottery and others get screwed, if your system only works when you get the right shift at the right restaurant thats a broken system not a feature lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt real when half those shifts are dead, you're just cherry picking the good nights
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones scrape by somewhere dead isnt the market working thats the market being random as hell. and "maybe itll take years" is weak - we already know what happens in countries with real wages, servers do fine. ur choosing chaos over a system that actually works
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah except that 25-30 an hour is only happening if youre at a packed restaurant in a rich area, everywhere else servers are making like 12 bucks an hour in tips plus 2.13 base. youre just picking the best case scenario and pretending thats normal lol. most servers get shafted, thats the whole problem
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving it doesnt work lol, good servers make bank at busy spots and get screwed at slow ones. thats the opposite of rewarding good service thats rewarding which restaurant you randomly ended up at. plus 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its survivorship bias, most servers make way less. id rather have a guaranteed floor than pray im pretty enough or lucky enough to work somewhere packed
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah youre just proving my point lol, if servers gotta pray they get scheduled at the busy spot to make real money thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at one place doesnt mean anything when half the servers are stuck making 12. id rather have guaranteed money than hope im lucky enough
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point and not seeing it lol. "good servers make money IF they work somewhere busy" thats luck not skill, and the ones at dead spots or slow shifts are fucked. a real system doesn't depend on where u happen to get scheduled. ur just defending a rigged game that works for like half the people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather get lucky today than have guaranteed money tomorrow" which is insane lol. good servers at busy places yeah they clean up, but thats like 20% of the industry. the other 80% are getting stiffed or working doubles just to scrape by. you dont actually care about those people you just like that the current system rewards YOU if youre good at schmoozing customers. thats not an argument its just selfishness dressed up fancy
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is ONLY because customers are subsidizing their wage instead of the owner, and half the servers arent at busy spots so theyre eating shit. youre saying the system works great if youre lucky, i'm saying it shouldnt require luck. also 15 an hour floor beats zero while you wait for that unicorn shift at the packed place
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places" thats literally luck not a system lol. and ur ignoring that most servers arent at fancy spots, theyre at applebees making 12 an hour in tips cause their shifts suck. policy sets a floor, tipping just rewards whoever already got lucky. thats not an argument against wages its just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just admitting servers shouldnt have to gamble on whether theyre gonna eat that week lol. yeah some make bank at cheesecake factory but most dont and you know it. "be smart and pick the right job" isnt a system its just luck with extra steps. id rather everyone get paid regardless of their managers staffing choices
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "id rather have MY money now" which is exactly why this needs to be policy lol. good servers banking 25-30 an hour means the bad ones get screwed and the whole system depends on luck and busy shifts. a real wage floor helps everyone not just people who got lucky at applebees
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 is because they work the busy spots with rich customers, not because tipping "works" thats just luck of the draw. meanwhile mediocre server at a dive bar makes 10 an hour. youre describing inequality not a system
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just proving my point lmaooo, good servers making bank is literally the problem, theyre subsidizing the whole industry by being good while bad places stay open paying servers 2 bucks an hour. thats not the market working thats the market broken and ur defending it cause u got lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
nah ur just admitting good servers are trapped in a lottery system where their income depends on luck not work, thats not smart thats desperation dressed up. and the 25-30 thing only works if ur at a packed restaurant in a rich area, most servers are making like 12 an hour in tips plus whatever garbage sub minimum wage their state allows. ur defending a system that only works for the lucky few and calling it freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok so ur admitting tipping only works if ur at a busy spot which means most servers are fucked and making poverty wages, thats not the market working thats just survivorship bias. and the 25-30 an hour thing is cap anyway, thatd be like 3 tables max and ur ignoring all the slow shifts where u walk with 40 bucks lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol. good servers make bank at busy places, bad servers at dead spots make minimum. so the whole thing depends on which restaurant you randomly end up at, not actual skill. thats not a market its a lottery. real wages means your pay doesnt depend on luck or how many tourists roll through that night
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving my point again, if good servers HAVE to rely on tipping to make 25-30 then the whole system is broken. theyre not choosing to hustle theyre forced to or theyre broke. thats not the market working thats desperation. and most servers dont make that anyway youre cherry picking the busy shift unicorns
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on being "lucky enough" to work somewhere busy instead of having guaranteed money, thats not smart thats just stockholm syndrome. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the outlier at nice places, most servers are making like 16-18 with tips which is barely better than the wage youd get guaranteed. youre cool with that risk cause YOUR job probably doesnt work that way
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol okay so ur admitting good servers are basically gambling on location and luck to make decent money instead of it being guaranteed, and ur calling that smart? thats just stockholm syndrome for a broken system. id rather have 20/hr guaranteed and keep my tips than cross my fingers every shift hoping the place is busy. youre literally arguing poor people should stay poor unless theyre lucky
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point tho, if a good server needs TIPS to hit 25-30 an hour thats because the base wage is dogshit, thats not the market working thats the market failing and servers eating the loss. and lol "years to pass" yeah cause owners lobby against it, not because its a bad idea. youre choosing the system that lets bosses win
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol youre literally proving the point tho, if good servers HAVE to rely on tipping to make decent money thats the system failing not winning. and most servers dont work busy spots, most make garbage. youre taking the exception and acting like its the rule. thats cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre cherry picking the busy restaurants lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the exception not the rule. and "id rather have money today" is cope for accepting a broken system, plenty of countries pay real wages AND have good service, ur just scared of the change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point again lol, "good servers make money IF they work busy places" thats luck not skill, and the rest get screwed. why should whether you eat depend on how packed your shift is? just pay everyone a real number and let tipping be extra, not survival. ur arguing the current system is fine as long as YOU get yours
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally saying the solution is "hope you work somewhere busy" which is the opposite of smart lol. thats not a system its a lottery. and those 25-30 an hour servers? theyre subsidizing the cheap places that pay 2.13 base, youre just not seeing it. pay everyone real wages and everyone wins, not just the lucky ones
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally betting your whole paycheck on the generosity of strangers while i'm saying let's just pay you either way, that's not smart that's cope. good servers making bank at olive garden doesn't mean the system works it means you're lucky, and luck isn't a business model
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that good servers have to RELY on luck and location to make 25-30 means the system is broken. why should someone working twice as hard at a dead restaurant make 12 an hour while their clone makes 30 at the busy spot? thats not reward for service thats a lottery. real wages mean everyone gets paid for the work they do not gambling on foot traffic, but sure keep defending a system that only works if youre lucky enough to get t
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving my point lol, good servers making bank only works if theyre at busy spots with rich customers, the ones at diners or slow chains get crushed. thats not a system thats a lottery. meanwhile australia has real wages AND good service. stop acting like we cant have both
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts for decent pay instead of knowing what theyre making when they clock in, thats not smart thats just Stockholm syndrome for a broken system lol. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception, most servers im cool with make like 16-18 after tips which is barely better than minimum wage except you had to kiss ass for it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol "be smart" = pray you get scheduled at the busy location and hope your customers arent broke that week, thats not a system thats gambling. and yeah 25-30 sounds great until you work a slow tuesday and make 8 bucks an hour, the average gets dragged down hard. youre literally arguing for instability and calling it freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on location and hope theyre busy instead of just having guaranteed money, thats not smart thats cope. and 25-30 an hour only happens at like olive garden on fridays lol, most servers are making 12-14 with tips factored in. youre defending a rigged system cause you got lucky in it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur entire argument is "some people win the lottery so we shouldnt build infrastructure" thats not smart thats just cope. yeah busy servers make bank but half their coworkers are broke and youre cool with that as long as YOU get yours. and that 25-30 isnt guaranteed its literally dependent on customers feeling obligated to subsidize wages the restaurant should already be paying, thats not the market working thats just guilt money with extra steps
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but ur cherry picking the busy spots lol. most servers arent making 25-30, thats the lie the tipping lobby sells. median is like 18-19 before taxes and thats IF theyre full time which most arent. youre literally arguing for a lottery system and calling it smart, id rather have a floor that doesnt suck
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers NEED tips to make 25-30 an hour means the base system is broken, youre celebrating a bandaid and calling it a feature. why should a server at a dead diner on tuesday make 8 bucks an hour just cause theyre unlucky with traffic, thats not rewarding good service thats rewarding location and timing. id take guaranteed 18 an hour over hoping im busy any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point, good servers make bank at nice places and bad ones are stuck at skeleton crew joints making poverty wages, thats not the market working thats just luck based on where u get hired. policy fixes that for everyone instead of leaving half the industry screwed lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol ur literally just admitting good servers are hostages to luck and location, thats not a feature its a bug. and "25-30 an hour" only works if ur slammed every shift which most places aren't, so ur picking the best case scenario and acting like its normal. wages are consistent, tipping is a gamble you've convinced yourself is freedom
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah but thats literally just survivorship bias lol, youre only seeing the servers who got lucky with good shifts at busy places, meanwhile everyone else is grinding for tips that never come and staying poor. and "money today vs hypothetical" is a false choice when places like california already proved higher wages work fine, ur just scared of the test results
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
bro ur literally saying "id rather get lucky and make bank than have guaranteed money" which is crazy cause most servers arent making 30 an hour lmao, ur talking about the top spots. id bet 70% of servers wish they had stable income instead of hoping their shift is busy, ur just defending a system that works for you
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude your whole thing is "servers at busy places make bank so dont fix it for everyone else" which is insane. thats literally the definition of a broken system lol, it shouldnt depend on where u work or how hot u are. and those 25-30 an hour numbers? thats like top 10% of servers in major cities, most people are making way less and ur okay with that gamble
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying tipping works IF youre already in a good spot which proves my point lol, good server at busy place makes bank but a good server at slow diner gets screwed and has to hope for tips. thats not the market rewarding skill its just luck based on where you work, thats broken
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving you need policy by saying good servers have to GET LUCKY and work busy spots, thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour isnt guaranteed either lmao, youre comparing the best case scenario to a floor wage which is dishonest. most servers make way less and eat shifts, you know this
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making 25-30 an hour is exactly the problem, theyre only making that cause theyre subsidizing the business model with their own luck. why should a server's paycheck depend on whether they got the dinner shift or a slow tuesday, thats not a market its just gambling. actual wages mean everyone gets paid regardless and then tipping becomes optional on top, not survival
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point again lol, good servers making bank at busy places while bad ones starve somewhere dead is the PROBLEM not the solution, thats the whole inequality thing. and "might never happen" is cope when literally every other developed country figured it out
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lol so ur solution is "hope youre good at ur job and work somewhere busy" instead of just paying people consistently. thats not the market working thats gambling with peoples rent money. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the exception, most servers make way less. youre just picking the best case scenario and pretending thats how it works for everyone
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" - thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at one restaurant while the median server makes 12? thats survivorship bias bro. youre looking at the winners and ignoring everyone else starving.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need tipping to make it work which means the system is broken lol. if waiting tables only pays decent money because strangers feel obligated to throw extra cash at you then thats not the market rewarding good service thats poverty wages with extra steps. just pay people
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah and those servers are also one bad month away from eating shit when tourism drops or theyre stuck at a slow location, thats not security thats gambling. youre just picking the good outcome and ignoring that most servers dont make that 25-30, theyre averaging way less and getting screwed. wages are guaranteed, tipping isnt
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, "good servers make bank IF theyre at busy places" is not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour disappears the second business slows down, minimum wage doesnt. your band aid works great until it doesnt and then what, people starve between shifts? nah
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point, if good servers can only make real money by getting lucky with location or shift timing thats not a system thats a casino. and ur acting like 25-30 an hour is normal when most servers are making like 12 because they work dead shifts at dead spots, the average is trash and u know it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers HAVE to rely on luck and being in a busy spot to make decent money is the problem not the solution. thats not the market working thats just gambling with peoples rent money. real jobs pay regardless
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah ok but youre banking on ALREADY being good at your job which half these people arent, plus thats only in busy places during busy hours so ur still describing luck not a system. everyone else just eats it and makes 8 bucks an hour. policy covers everyone at once thats literally the whole point
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy spots means BAD servers at dead spots make like 8 bucks an hour and eat shit. thats not the market working thats a lottery. why should pay depend on whether applebees is slammed that night, just pay people fairly and let tips actually be tips not survival money
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, if good servers HAVE to rely on tips to make real money thats not the market working thats the market *failing* to pay them fairly in the first place. youre defending a system that only works if customers subsidize wages, thats insane
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places means bad servers at dead spots make minimum shit, tipping just shuffles money around it doesn't solve the problem it just makes it random. id rather everyone get 20 guaranteed than hope im hot enough to earn it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally arguing that servers should gamble on getting busy shifts instead of having guaranteed money, thats not smart thats just accepting a worse deal and calling it freedom lol. we already HAVE places with real wages, go look at them, servers there arent starving and restaurants aint closing down. ur just afraid of change
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if a server NEEDS tips to make 25-30 then theyre not actually making that, theyre making 7.25 plus gambling on how many rich people walk in. thats not being smart thats being dependent on someone elses mood. id take guaranteed 20 over that lottery ticket any day
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lmao. "good servers make bank if theyre lucky enough to work somewhere busy" isnt a feature its a bug. and the ones at slow spots or doing the same job get screwed. policy takes time yeah but it actually fixes it instead of just making it a lottery. your way keeps people desperate and hoping.
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank is dependent on the LOCATION and LUCK not on their actual skill, a skilled server at a dead spot makes nothing while a mid server at a busy mall food court clears 30, if the system required tips to work then it already failed, real pay fixes that
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving you need policy by saying "good servers make money IF theyre at busy places" lol thats not a system thats a lottery. and 25-30 an hour at a coffee shop isnt the norm its the exception, most servers make like 12-14 after tips. youre cherry picking the wins and ignoring everyone else getting screwed, thats not an argument
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
lmao dude ur literally proving my point, if good servers gotta be "lucky" enough to work somewhere busy to make decent money thats a broken system. why should it depend on luck instead of just paying people a real wage to begin with. ur defending a lottery not a market
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
yeah cool so ur banking on luck and hoping the market gods bless u with the right shift at the right place, meanwhile people working lunch shifts at diners are getting rekt. ur literally saying "some ppl win the tipping lottery so we shouldnt fix it" which is insane lol, thats not a system thats just cope
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just describing why tipping sucks lmao. good servers making bank while bad ones starve, then theyre forced to job hop constantly chasing that money instead of actually building a career. thats not the market working thats just chaos with extra steps. real wages means everyone eats regardless and places actually gotta compete on quality not just luck of the shift. youre advocating for instability and calling it freedom lol
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
ok but youre banking on being good at your job and working peak hours, thats literally luck wrapped in a different word. and 25-30 an hour isnt the norm its the cherry pick, most servers are making way less and dealing with harassment for tips. id rather have guaranteed money than gamble on being in the right place at the right time
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, if servers gotta get "lucky" to make decent money thats not a system its a casino. and 25-30 an hour only happens at busy places during peak hours, most servers arent making that consistently. plus what about the ones at dead spots? they just get screwed while you act like tipping solved everything. wages arent hypothetical theyre literally how other countries do it
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre just proving the point tho, if good servers can ONLY make decent money at busy places that means the system is broken not working. thats not the market rewarding skill thats the market leaving half the servers underwater. and "money today vs policy later" isnt even a real choice when tons of places already have higher minimum wages and servers still make bank, you just dont wanna admit policy works cause you like the current grift
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude ur literally saying "id rather have money today than wait" which is just admitting the system is broken enough that servers need to gamble on getting lucky shifts instead of knowing what theyre making. thats not smart thats just desperation dressed up, and the fact that youre cool with that tells me everything
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally just saying "i got lucky so the system works" which is insane logic. yeah some servers at olive garden make bank but go work at a dead waffle house at 2am for minimum wage plus tips that dont exist, then tell me tipping is the market fixing things lol. policy takes time sure but at least its not gambling
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, the fact that servers gotta rely on LUCK and being in a busy spot to make decent money instead of just getting paid is exactly the problem. your whole argument is "some people win the lottery sometimes" thats not a system thats just gambling with peoples rent
“nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart”
dude youre literally proving my point lol, good servers making bank at busy places while everyone else gets screwed is exactly the problem. if ur system only works when ur lucky enough to land the right spot thats not a system thats gambling. and those servers arent actually secure, one bad month and theyre toast. id take 25/hr guaranteed over hoping some drunk guy tips well
“tipping is just businesses passing their payroll onto customers so they can pocket more. nobody tips their plumber or accountant extra for doing their job right, we just pay them. servers should get a living wage baseline and tips can be bonus if theyre actually good. its not complicated”
lmao your plumber example is trash, plumbers charge 80 an hour and have leverage. servers get paid 2.13 baseline with zero power. tipping isnt perfect but atleast it rewards the ones who actually give a shit instead of everyone getting the same paycheck for phoning it in. if you kill tips without raising wages first youre just cutting peoples income
“dude youre literally arguing the system is so broken that workers NEED tips to survive, which proves my point lol. if a job doesnt pay enough without customer charity then the business is stealing. raise the base wage and tips stay for actual good service, problem solved. your "at least some get rewarded" take is just cope for poverty wages”
nah youre doing the classic thing where you pretend the world works how it should instead of how it actually does. restaurants arent gonna voluntarily raise wages, and if you force them to without tips existing first theyre cutting hours or closing. ive seen it happen. youre describing a unicorn scenario not a plan
“ok but thats exactly why you pass a law forcing it instead of just hoping businesses do the right thing lol. they said the same shit about minimum wage and child labor, "oh itll destroy everything" and it didnt. youre basically saying we gotta accept a broken system because fixing it is hard”
yeah and those minimum wage increases also killed a bunch of small restaurants and the ones that survived just cut staff or raised prices til nobody could afford to eat out. laws arent magic dude theyre just rules, doesnt mean the outcome youre imagining actually happens. youre betting peoples livelihoods on theory
“lol so your whole thing is "it might go wrong so we shouldnt try" which is the weakest take ever. prices went up yeah but restaurants didnt collapse, they adapted. the difference is servers get paid regardless instead of starving on $2.13 while counting on randos feeling generous. youre not being realistic ur just defending the status quo cause change is scary”
nah youre cherry picking the wins and ignoring the places that actually got gutted. and "servers get paid regardless" sounds nice til the restaurant cuts their hours in half cause labor costs went up. youre assuming business owners eat the cost instead of just scheduling fewer people. thats not theory thats what happens
“ok so your argument is literally "it might go bad so we gotta keep the system where servers are already getting gutted" lmao. hours get cut either way dude, at least with real wages theyre not also begging for tips to afford rent. youre just choosing the devil you know”
lol youre acting like theres one magic number that fixes this but servers making $20/hr with half the hours is worse than $15 tips on full shifts, the math is simple. youre trading one problem for a different one and calling it progress. at least now they got choices
“nah youre just inventing worst case scenarios now lol. if hours got cut that bad restaurants would lose their whole operation cause theyre understaffed, so they'd hire back. thats how labor markets work. youre treating it like owners can magically run on skeleton crews forever when they literally cant”
lol ok so your whole thing relies on restaurants magically hiring back when they cant afford it, thats not how labor markets work thats how you wish they worked. ive seen places just go skeleton crew and accept worse service cause theyre not gonna voluntarily tank their margins. youre betting on rational actors in a system full of desperate people, thats a losing bet dude
“so restaurants operating at skeleton crew service levels lose customers and tank anyway lol, youre just describing how theyre shooting themselves in the foot slower. theres literally no scenario where paying people fairly costs more than losing half your business to competitors who dont suck. youre overthinking it”
nah youre still ignoring that skeleton crew places dont actually tank they just become the cheap option and people still go there. not everyone cares about service quality if the burgers are 3 bucks cheaper. youre acting like the market punishes mediocrity but it really just accepts it lol
“ok so youre literally admitting that people will go somewhere cheap and accept worse service which means those places ARE losing money compared to competitors with full staffing and good service, you just admitted the market works lol. youre contradicting yourself now”
nah youre missing it dude, cheap places arent losing money theyre just making less and thats fine with them, theyre still profitable. the market doesnt actually punish mediocrity if mediocrity still moves units. thats the whole problem
“so youre saying mediocre places are profitable operating on skeleton crews which means theyre not actually losing money which means the market IS rewarding them for cutting costs instead of paying people, which proves my point that the market alone wont fix this without policy. you just dunked on your own argument lol”
nah youre twisting it. skeleton crew places make less profit per location but they still exist cause the owner takes home something instead of nothing, thats not the market working its just people accepting worse outcomes. and thats exactly why tipping matters - it lets good servers make real money and jump ship from those trash spots, tipping is literally the market fixing what policy wont
“lmao so ur admitting tipping is a band aid that only works if individual servers are lucky enough to work somewhere busy, not a system that actually fixes anything. thats exactly why we need wages dude. ur arguing FOR policy change and calling it the market, its the opposite”
nah ur doing that thing where you act like "band aid" means it doesnt work lol. tipping literally lets good servers make 25-30 an hour right now while your policy takes years to pass and probably caps out at 15. id rather have money today than wait for your hypothetical wage that might never happen, thats not being lucky thats being smart
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